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- 08/24/15--04:26: Two Women on a Footpath - (seventeen years ago!) with annotations
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- 09/06/15--01:00: Greenwich Park Bandstand - Deane and Co,
- 09/08/15--00:38: The Eponymous Enderbys
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- 09/30/15--06:08: Siemens Woolwich - a brief history
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- 10/08/15--22:34: Siemens Woolwich site - what is happening now!
- 10/13/15--01:59: MERRYWEATHERS - America
- 11/11/15--12:57: NEW BOOK ABOUT THE PENINSULA
- 11/17/15--02:00: More news items after a bit of a gap
- 11/19/15--03:59: Goodness - more news already
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- 12/11/15--01:00: News items yet again
- 01/26/16--00:55: More news - sorry its been so long
SATURDAY 9TH MAY 2015
Docklands History Group. It will cover all aspects of shipbuilding on the Thames from all
periods. The programme for the conference which will take place at the Museum of
London Docklands, is as set out below:
Royal Shipbuilding on the Thames, 1509-1547 - Dr. Ian Friel
Charles II and Shipbuilding at Deptford - Richard Endsor
JM W Turner, Charles Napier, and the 'Aaron Manby'; the Iron Steam Boat and the Making of the British
Century- Professor Andrew Lambert
Cultural and Industrial Transfer - Visiting Indian Shipwrights in Early Victorian London - Alex Werner
The London Men and Women who made the Tools that made the Sails - Des Pawson
Thomas Howard (1796-1872) and the King and Queen Foundry (Rotherhithe Foundry) - Stuart Rankin and
Dr. Roger Owen
Dudgeons, Millwall Shipbuilders, 1860-1877 - Dr. Brendan O'Farrell
The SS 'Robin' and her Bow Creek Builders - Dr. Roy Fenton
conference will commence at 10:30 and end at 5:30. There will be a break for coffee and tea in the
afternoon. There will also be a break for lunch but no lunch will be provided by the organisers although
there are several cafes and other places selling food nearby.
Hertsmere Road, Canary Wharf, London E14 41L. The nearest stations are West Ferry and West India
Quay (DLR) and Canary Wharf (Jubilee Line)
booking form is appended. However, if you would like to make an electronic booking, please visit the
Docklands History Group website - www.docklandshistorvgroup.org.uk- where there are further details of
the conference and other activities organised by the Group.
so - what is in the GIHS In-tray??
Kent Underground Research Group - their admirable newsletter turns up regularly, sadly nothing much about Greenwich recently. They have been very involved with a big site at Dover - Fan Bay Deep Shelter. For those interested in all this subterranean we would very much recommend them at www.kurg.org.uk.. They say they are interested in all things underground in Kent - and remember, from their point of view Greenwich is in Kent up the historic boundary at the Ravensbourne. They would welcome articles - info to firstname.lastname@example.org
Their AGM is on 11th October at New Tavern Fort in Gravesend
KURG also advertise:
Kent Miners Festival. 31st August at Community Park in Betteshanger. details http://www.kentminersfestival.org.uk. When the Kent mines were still active Greenwich had many links with these mining communities - and the festivals are another world. Go down a country lane and into a pit village community. They had Denis Skinner last year - don't miss it.
also Drop Redoubt. 12th-13th September - this is the opening of Napoleonic defence structures at Dover http://www.doverwesternheights.org. It includes an opening of the Grand Shaft - something which I will guarantee you will never see the like of again!!
Steve Hunnisett of Blitz Walkers has been kind enough to send a list of bombs dropped in the Second World War on the Redpath Brown site (this was a structural steel works behind and between the river to the Pilot PuB). He has promised to send more bombings of industrial sites - these Redpath Brown ones will go to Andrew Turner who has been researching the site for many years, and hopefully will come and talk to GIHS about it soon.
GREENWICH SQUARE - GREENWICH DISTRICT HOSPITAL - GREENWICH WORKHOUSE
People will have seen Rich Sylvester's story boards outside the old health centre on hoardings. Rich is going to speak about the history of the site at Greenwich Square Library 6.30pm 7th October
BUILD THE LENOX
This project to rebuild a historic ship at Deptford are to be at the Tall Ships Festival on 29th August. They have a restored cannon and will be selling tee shirts. They also say they have a film about the ship on their web site. http://www.buildthelenox.org/
English Heritage have emailed to say that archaeological work will soon begin on sites in Deptford
|Work on cable in 19th century Greenwich|
|Great Eastern in Mid-Atlantic -the broken cable found,|
brought on board, spliced, and mended
(not to mention those scruffy little additions on the walls - and why in the past 15 years hasn't anyone got round to removing those horrible oil tanks and intrusive, and unused, coal bunker - and why didn't we mention the big jetty and how useful it would be as a venue for something or other - anything, really)
|One of the cranes removed by Morden College|
|Cables being loaded at Enderbys|
(thanks for drawing to Peter Kent)
(this block was demolished by the developer last year)
|Sea Witch 1930s - riverside pub destroyed in bombing -|
|Grain deliveries at the silos 1960s|
TALL SHIPS THIS WEEKEND
~ Events include:
BALLAST QUAY GARDEN.
(This is on the riverside in Greenwich, SE10 - at the riverside end of Pelton Road/Lassell Street - where the Cutty Sark pub is (www.ballastquay.com).
Residents of Ballast Quay tell us "We will open Ballast Quay garden on Saturday 29th/Sunday 30th August only, from 10-5pm. From the information we have been able to glean, the 13 designated Tall Ships will be passing at intervals in both directions, taking fee-paying tour passengers throughout the day, starting late morning and going on into the early evening. As a street, a group of us will man a tea-and-cakes stall and take contributions, which we will split between two local 'charities'. We will not be charging admission. Diane Greenwood leases and maintains the garden with Hilary, her friend, who started the whole thing and it is with their kind permission that we are there at all. For this occasion Hilary has mounted a small but sweet exhibition of tall ships pix, memorabilia and maps and she will be sitting drawing her signature 'botanical' greetings cards, for sale.
Amalgamated Society of Engineers. We have been told that when the Amalgamated Society of Engineers was set up in the mid 19th century that some of the prime movers worked here in Greenwich for the early telecommunications industry - at Morden Wharf for Glass Elliott and for Kupers. Please let us know if you have any knowledge of this, or any knowledge of someone who might know, or where archives are kept.
Bandstand in Greenwich Park. We have a request - which has been all round England already and which appears to originate from the Royal Parks. This is about the park bandstand and if we know why the name 'Deane and Co.' appear on the columns. It was always said to have been made by the Coalbrookedale Company - but there were also a small number of specialist bandstand makers. Any ideas?? Happy to pass info on??
1 Hyde Vale. We have the following news from Paul "This afternoon I received very welcome news. The building is now Listed at Grade II. Historic England accepted all of our key points about the history of the building, stating: “1 Hyde Vale was purpose-built as a builder's workshop and yard, part of a composition with the adjacent builder's house (63 Royal Hill) which is also listed at Grade II. As the only listed Georgian purpose-built builder's workshops in Greater London, and possibly in the country, the building is notable for its rarity. It has also been identified as significant for its architectural interest, surviving structure, and the group value it lends to 63 Royal Hill. It is clear that the building also contributes to the significance of the West Greenwich Conservation Area. The area's authenticity is enhanced through the presence of this historic building. As the only building providing evidence of industry in the Hyde Vale area it helps to further our understanding of how people lived and worked in this part of West Greenwich.”. This means the existing planning application will be rejected, and the developers will have to come back with a conversion, rather than a demolition. This keeps an important, rare building and should also greatly diminish the disruption that neighbours would have suffered.
POLLUTION AND SMELLS. People will have read about the objections to the cruise liner terminal at Enderbys on the grounds of pollution. An old Greenwich resident has written to us - from a retirement home outside of London - 'yes it would pollute the atmosphere... as you know many factories, especially the Dog Biscuit works and Tunnel Refineries gave off strong smells at times - and yes, the river was filthy too'. So - perhaps we should be researching the history of local smells and pollutants. There used to be a lot of very detailed works on Tunnel Refineries and their strong smell.
William Parry Jackson. We have a request "I have for a while been studying the life of WT Vincent and I thought it was time I included a few paragraphs about his uncle , William Parry Jackson. I know at some time he was chairman of the Equitable gas company and also the Woolwich steam packet company .. I was wondering if you may have some info"
LABOUR HERITAGE - The latest Labour Heritage Bulletin has just turned up with article son: Alfred Linnell, Labour Prime Ministers, Labour and the Government of Ireland Act, Staines NUR and Elections in Acton. None of this is about Greenwich or even South London - perhaps someone should write something! Happy to pass on contacts to anyone interested.
Highcombe site - this is about use by locals of the derelict playing field in Highcombe Road. Meeting 7th September 19.30 Blackheath Rugby Club.
Thames and Medway Canal Association. This is based in Gravesend but they produce a great little newsletter about this canal - which has been unused, and unusable since the railway took over the tunnel between Higham and Strood in 1845. They report they are being extensively mucked about by the railway (what's new!) - but would recommend them www.thamesmedway.co.uk
The Naval Dockyards Society is asking people who want to have their new 20th Century Naval Dockyards publication to join a subscription list. Happy to pass on names and details of anyone interested. www.navaldockyards.org
"Until around 100 years ago, the main claim to fame of Greenwich Peninsula was its wildlife and fisheries but in 1897, the Blackwall Tunnel was built under the River Thames to link the peninsula with the North bank, and with the tunnel came development"
Have emailed them pointing out that they don't know what they are talking about. Anyone want to bet that - they don't reply t...o my email - and they leave it as it is anyway.
Somewhere there is an implication that 'development' (developer style development) only began when ideas from north London began trickling through the tunnel.
GIHS was sent a query about the Greenwich Park Bandstand - this had been to a number of people and organisations - here is the response from one of our members - Barbara Holland
(and thanks Barbara. Hope this is ok.)
Greenwich Park Bandstand - Deane and Company
A question has been raised regarding why the name Deane & Co. is stamped into the columns of the bandstand in Greenwich Park when it has been generally accepted that it was made by the Coalbrookdale Company. I have done some research into Deane & Co., and based on this have proposed two theories that might throw some light on this ‘mystery’.
In 1853 the firm won a bronze medal for a fowling piece at the New York Exhibition, and in 1855 a Prize medal at the Paris Universal Exhibition ("carabines, rifles et fusils de chasse, pistolet et revolver").
The hardware and ironmongery side of the business continued to trade successfully from 46 King William Street until 1890, but the gunmaking part was sold in 1873. The Deane’s had sold up by 1890 to retire, and the site acquired by the City & South London Electric Railway Company for the building of the King William Street Station. This was the northern terminus of the world’s first deep-level underground electric railway which ran from Stockwell and had 6 stations. The station opened on 18thDecember 1890, closing in 1900 when the line was extended to Moorgate.
The Eponymous Enderbysby Stewart Ash
Review by Richard Buchanan
|The Samuel Enderby|
Buxton & Enderby was founded ca1765, at St Paul’s Wharf in London. They developed a successful business trading with the American colonies – shipping out British goods and bringing back whale oil and seal skins. Americans crossed the Atlantic too, one being Nathaniel Wheatley who came to England with his adopted sister Phillis to promote her poetry; she had been taken to America to be sold as a slave but was adopted, and educated, by Nathaniel’s parents. While in London, Nathaniel met and married Mary, Samuel Enderby’s eldest daughter; after the wedding they returned to Boston, where Nathaniel acted as the agent for the Enderbys. This was just after the Boston Tea Party, which involved ships used by Buxton & Enderby, though it is not clear whether they were owned or leased, or to what extent it was their tea that was lost.
In 1775 Samuel founded Samuel Enderby & Sons, to hunt whales, not just transport the oil. In 1783 Samuel junior was sent to Boston to engage Americans to crew Enderby whaling ships – they soon had 17 ships. By then whales had been all but eliminated in the north Atlantic and they were exploiting the south Atlantic. South Atlantic whales also became scarce. In 1788 their ship the Emilia (described in Moby Dick as the Amelia) initiated whaling in the Pacific, despite restrictions imposed by the East India Company. They set up base in what was to become Sydney.
|Enderby Wharf from the river in the mid-19th century|
(kind permission Roger Marshall)
In 1787 the Enderbys, then quite influential in London and seen as being in a respectable line of business, were granted arms featuring a ‘harpooner’. That year Samuel junior married Mary Goodwyn, daughter of a brewer; their first two babies died at birth but nine more survived. Their eldest daughter, Elizabeth, married Henry Gordon of the Royal Artillery at the Greenwich parish church of St Alphege – one of her sons being General Gordon of Khartoum.
The family became wealthy and when Samuel (senior) died in 1797 he was able to bequeath four figure sums around the family, and ensure they could continue to live in style.
Samuel junior took the business to new heights; it peaked in 1891 with 68 ships owned or under charter. He encouraged his ship captains to explore the southern ocean in search of new whaling and seal hunting grounds. This resulted in the discovery of several island groups, including Auckland Islands found in1805. Eventually they reached Antarctica. However, no significant whaling grounds were found and decline set in – in a search for fewer and fewer whales the Enderby ships were outnumbered by American ships. In England oil lamps had largely given way to gas lighting and other uses were declining.
Samuel junior died in 1829. His eldest son, Samuel, had already become a professional soldier (whose fascinating story Mr Ash tells). The business was therefore left to the next three sons: Charles, Henry and George, though Henry took no active part. In 1830 it was renamed Messrs Enderby Brothers; they purchased a Thames-side site in Greenwich, which had first been developed as a naval gunpowder store, but which by then had a rope-walk. They developed and modernised this and added sail making, serving their own and others’ shipping interests. The site became known as Enderby Wharf, the name still in use today. Then, with dwindling resources, they left their London offices and premises at St Paul’s wharf, which they moved to Poplar.
Charles and George, however, were still explorers at heart, and were founder members of the Geographical Society (to become Royal in 1859). They organised three voyages during the 1830s, each with a pair of ships, to the southern ocean, which made notable contributions to the geography of the region; these put Charles Enderby into high regard and in1841 he was elected as a Fellow of the Royal Society.
None of the three voyages had paid financially. However their trading and rope & sail making businesses made some money, and in 1834 they commissioned a new trading ship, named the Samuel Enderby. But in 1845 there was a devastating fire at the Enderby works. It was not rebuilt; instead Charles built himself a house on the site – still there, known as Enderby House – and listed Grade II. The house has an unusual and attractive ‘Octagon’ room on the top floor with a large window giving a good view of the Thames. The Geographical Society met there at Charles’ invitation.
|The Enderby rope and canvas works burns down|
Despite his enthusiasm for the southern ocean, Charles had never been there. But James Clark Ross had, and in 1840 had discovered a fine natural harbour in the Auckland Islands, which he said would be an ideal site for a whaling station. Charles decided to go and set one up. The Enderbys could not finance such an expedition themselves and set up the Southern Whale Fishing Company. The British Government granted a 20 year lease of the Auckland Islands to the Company and named Charles Enderby as the Lieutenant-Governor. He set sail on the Samuel Enderby with two other ships in August 1849, and arrived in December. A settlement was soon built, but then things deteriorated; Charles, who proved to be ineffective, was evicted. By 1852 the settlement was abandoned. Charles was in Wellington vainly trying to clear his name; in 1853 he returned to London but fared no better.
After his return it became possible to wind up Messrs Enderby Brothers, duly done in 1854. By then none of the Enderby family was still living in the Greenwich district. George had moved to Northfleet, Kent. When Charles died in 1876 he was a lodger in Holborn.
|Enderby House today - the only listed building on the|
Greenwich Peninsula it is now owned by developers.
LAMAS NEWSLETTER - this comes regularly and lists local history events all round London. They seem to have removed GIHS and we need to see what we can do to remind them. Its bad enough we can't get listed in national Industrial History publications, on account of this being an electronic newsletter.
THE LAMAS NEWSLETTER contains an article about the Thames Discovery Programme which includes some notes about their work - the FROG Project - in Greenwich. This says: that the foreshore outside the Old Royal Naval College has been described by Gus Milne as the "most dynamic foreshore on the Thames" and that in 2011 the Greenwich Foreshore Recording and Observation Group was set up to monitor three main sites in the borough on a regular basis. - the key site being Greenwich Palace. The article goes on to describe visits to the foreshore and fieldwork. They found that many structures have been 'dramatically eroded' ie - 'Several previously recorded timbers from what had been interpreted as a Tudor jetty have disappeared' however 'several new features have become visible'. Changes have allowed 'a better understanding of the jettys construction and period' and that 'the majority of the wood used is elm, including the larger timbers, and many of the timbers have been pit sawn. Damian Goodburn has suggested that this would date the structure from about 1560 to 1660'. Furtherc 'The results of analysis support an interpretation that this structure could be the "King's Bridge" associated with Greenwich Palace, and that the
timbers currently visible may be the 1631 rebuild under Charles I'. and 'Further downstream, a causeway and granite platform around the Queen's Stairs is now clearly visible, and a large chalk barge bed is appearing east of the causeway'.
Perhaps I could comment here that it is a pity some of this energy is not going into investigating what could be the remains of the 1690s jetty at what is now Enderbys - and also the early 19th century tide mill and causeway at what used to be called Riverway, where any evidence will almost certainly be completely destroyed soon with not even a single photograph. Mary
This is the usual cheery newsletter with articles of current interest of work going on. www.thewoodlandsfarmtrust.org
SUBTERRANEA BRITANNICA are advertising their Autumn Meeting on 10th October which includes items on PLUTO and on the Thames Tunnel at Rotherhithe info: email@example.com
TIDELINE ART. Mudlarker Nicola White has done a very interesting piece of research and constructed a whole life from a luggage label she found on the foreshore. Please read it http:/www.tidelineart.com/tideline-art-blog/a-river-thames-mudlarking-find-brings-to-life-world-war-one-soldier-Frederick-Jury-1873-1932
HISTORIC GAS TIMES - this includes an article from local gas historian Brian Sturt. It describes Gas Works Park in Seattle. Happy to give details of what he says (might even ask him to come and speak to GIHS about it) - Basically it is the same old story about how everywhere else in the world gas works remains are preserved ... but ... in England .....
Now - they are more interested in Gravesend in saving bits of Greenwich than we are! The following web site https://sites.google.com/site/riverthamesheritageopportunity/ is mainly interested in the riverside and cement industry sites in Northfleet. They include however a whole page about the drawdock at the end of Blackwall Lane - which they describe as 'Greenwich Peninsular O2 Arena Slipway'. It is well worth seeing what they say 'Greenwich Council would do well to insist that any further development .... this much needed facility can be brought back into use'. They also provide 'vision drawings' of what could be done 'all this slipway needs is space for cars and boat trailors to park and then it is back in business'.
Cory - now people in Spitalfields are more interested in the Charlton Riverside than we are. I would recommend (thanks to Darryl) 'Among the Thames Lightermen' from Spitalfields Life http://spitalfieldslife.com/2015/09/09/among-the-thames-lightermen This is all about Corys which are still extant on the Charlton Riverside - and I think are a rather larger company than they appear and less easily picked off by developers. The article describes a voyage down river on one of their tugs which transport the city's waste (and the City's waste too) down river to where the rest of us can forget about it. (GIHS could do with a speaker on them too)
IN HACKNEY BUT - the East End Waterway Group are pointing out threats from developers to buildings in Hackney Wick. One of these is the first building where plastic (Parksine) was made on an industrial scale. They are also still concerned about Swan Wharf and Bream Street. https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-gb/suite (hope that works)
AND FINALLY - MORE NONSENSE FROM DEVELOPERS
I have been shown a copy of the Evening Standard 19th August 2015. This refers to the area of Greenwich now apparently known as 'Telegraph Works' - which at least shows even developers listen to the Enderby Group. However it goes on 'the site dates back to the Tudor Period when it served as a gunpowder store in Queen Elizabeth I's reign' ................... er .............. er - the gunpowder store was opened in the late 1690s which is 90 years after Elizabeth died..................... AND 'its last hurrah was as a tin foil factory which closed in 2013'. Well hooray!! can someone please tell us more about this hitherto unknown works which only closed two years ago. I don't rule its existence out - but Please tell us.
British archaeological awards. Please follow the link below to nominate
SIEMENS BROTHERS ENGINEERING SOCIETY
The History of the Siemens Brothers Engineering Society,
We have been kindly sent a copy of Brian Middlemiss's continuing history of the Society 2009-2013. This continues on a previous work and a bibliography of items collected by the Society and deposited in Greenwich Heritage Centre. Thanks to Brian for this and we hope to publish some extracts in due course.
MERRYWEATHER FIRE ENGINES
Last Tuesday Neil Bennett came to talk to the Society about the famous fire engine factory in Greenwich High Road. Neil has now sent us a time line of Merryweather History - and again we hope to publish some extracts of this in the next few weeks
Neil has also sent us news of his book on Merryweathers 'Sustained by Extinction'. He says it is far from finished but that he is prepared to let people see what he has done so far. Please contact GIHS for his email.
He has also forwarded a link from Ron Henderson to a film featuring Merryweathers mr_0010395_pl.mp4
SS Robin - David Riddle has sent us a link to a web page about historic ship Robin - which was in the West India Dock, considered as a feature on the Greenwich riverside, but snaffled by Newham - and which is now in dire funding straits. https://docklockanddriver/wordpress.com/2015/09/16/not-so-happy-birthday-for-the-ss-robin/
Foundrydata - this is a heritage project about identifying old foundries. www.foundrydata.org. If people want to be involved in this and to help add to it please contact firstname.lastname@example.org
Prefab museum - we had a speaker, Elizabeth Blanchet, on this Lewisham based project last year. The museum itself was in a Lewisham prefab on the Excalibar Estate but a fire ended that. Elizabeth writes to say that they are still hoping to find somewhere to erect an old prefab from Brittany. Please see http:// www.prefabmuseum.uk.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW SCULPTURE ON THE PENINSULA - This is the 'pylon spectacle' - 'A bullet jumps from a shooting star' by Alex Chinnock.
"Referencing the history and heritage of a site that once housed the largest oil and gasworks in Europe. Chinneck effortlessly creates a sense of awe by literally flipping audiences expectations on their head. Inverting a electricity Pylon made from a combined length of 1186m of steel and weighing 15 tons, there will be over 400 pieces of steel with 900 engineered connection points".
Go and see it - and be grateful someone on the Peninsula is taking a bit of notice of the industrial history of the site - or at least the adjacent site - it is on Point Wharf next to Ordnance Wharf and the gas works.
Siemens Brothers was one of the most important of our local industries. Although they closed as long ago as 1968 the Engineering Society attached to the works has continued to meet until very recently. As mentioned in an earlier post we have just received a supplementary volume to their original report published in 2009.
This supplement is packed with interesting information about the Woolwich works - but before we go on here is a copy of their front page, a brief history of the Company so that we all know where we are.
From its humble start at Woolwich, when employees averaged around 800 total, the Company grew to encompass over 20,000 employees world wide. Employees at Woolwich reached a peak in the WWII period of 9,500 total, but generally averaged around 8,000 in the post war years. iJ
A few newsletters and stuff have turned up over the past fortnight, not much, to be honest.
Lewisham Local History Newsletter. Really this edition is all about Forest Hill, and like places in Lewisham which even I can't argue are really in Greenwich! There is a note about a Heritage Exhibition on 10-17th October at St.Mary's Church, which will cover some of the joint history when in 918 lands in Greenwich and Lewisham were left to St.Peter's Abbey in Ghent. There is also an appeal for speakers on local history items at Manor House Library on Wednesday mornings (info Robert.Tamplin@Lewisham.gov.uk)
GLIAS Newsletter - This includes an article by Peter Butt on Millennium Mills - its not in Greenwich but you can see it from Greenwich! Otherwise - they list the following meetings which might be of interest:
17th February. GLIAS lecture. Father Thames, Still alive and kicking. The Changing Role of Thames Wharves. David Hilling. Swedenborg Hall, Barter Street, WC1 6.30
18th May. GLIAS AGM The Gallery, Cowcross Street, EC1
4th November. Trinity Buoy Wharf by Eric Reynolds. Docklands History Group, Museum in Docklands 5.30 (well, again, you can see it from Greenwich)
- and also - Danny Hayton and Andrew Turner's Greenwich Peninsula walk last Saturday seemed to go very well. I understand it took over three hours to get round - and that they were advised by Elizabeth Pearcey at Enderby Wharf with piles of Enderby Group leaflets. On the walk was a visitor from Germany - Barbara Gasometra Berger - here to look at our gasholders, and hot on the heels of a previous visitor with similar intentions from Finland. So, welcome, to Barbara, and glad she described our massive East Greenwich No.1. holder as 'adorable'.
Beale of East Greenwich - Elizabeth Pearcey has shared with us an article from Newcomen Society Links (which is on a members only website). This is by Bob Carr and talks about the rotary engine patented by Joshua Beale who had a works on part of the site of Enderby Wharf in the early 19th century. It is illustrated with a copy of part of his patent. Rotary engines are an interesting subject and Bob is hoping to put forward the view that they were a more common and more long lasting design than has previously been thought. More about the Beales in due course.
Links also a note about the Enderby Group, its work and links to recent publications by Stewart Ash.
English Heritage have sent us notes of some archaeological work about to start:
Phase 7/8 Riverside, Woolwich (LAG/011/387)
and PLOT M0401, OLD SCHOOL CLOSE, GREENWICH PENINSULA: 14/3601/F (LAG/011/271) - archaeology (this includes a full site briefing - happy to share if someone emails email@example.com)
and - hope you have all been down to see Bullet from a Shooting Star. It is on Point Wharf, by the way, not the gas works or any part of the gas works site. It claims to be reminiscent of industry on the Peninsula - do we think that is so? And do we have any thoughts on what is clearly a triumph of structural engineering??
and - for thoughts on the 19th century telecoms revolution - try http://www.scrambledmessages.ac.uk/
Thanks to the Siemens Engineering Society we have an update - extracted from their new booklet - about what is happening on their old Woolwich site from the perspective of the Society. Thanks to Brian Middlemiss who wrote and published the following piece (very slightly edited). Copies of the original are deposited at the Greenwich Heritage Centre
"The project went into a six month delay due to the popularity of the Sculptress following her London exhibition. However we were shocked to learn in October 2005 that the CIS had sold its entire Property Portfolio to AXA Real Estate ....our project became a watching brief with updates every six months.
24 October 2013, this proved to be a significant event for the Society - more later. The multi- storey buildings were still undergoing the cleaning and asbestos removal process which was due to be completed in January 2014. There was still interest in the multi-storey buildings for residential use, however, Greenwich Council were now unsure as to whether they want to allow this use on the estate and it may be that they allocate the area as strategic industrial land in the next local plan. This would fix the use for the next 15 years. AXA, not surprisingly, were trying to resist this as the buildings were not really a viable commercial proposition in the current use as not many modem occupiers want to be located above ground floor.
Neil Bennett has given a number of talks on Merryweathers - the Greenwich based fire engine manufacturers. He has also given information and advice to numerous enquirers and has been a great source of knowledge. He has recently sent us a 'time line' of Merryweathers - and we give the first part of this below, together with Fire Engine America from the Merryweather catalogue.
MERRYWEATHER & SONS, STEAM: FIRE ENGINE MAKERS
Merryweather and Sons Time-line
c. 1690 or 1692 - Nathaniel Hadley. ‘Cross Street’ London. Manufacture of small manual pumps, leather fire buckets etc.
1750– Adam Nuttall started a company in Long Acre building manual fire pumps.
1823 – Hadley & Simpkin at 63 Long Acre listed as Engine Makers.
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More news - the gap being caused by me (Mary) being so busy with my new book.
(Innovation, Enterprise and Change on the Greenwich Peninsula. Available from me £8 plus pp £2 - happy to deliver if you live round here)
Prefab Museum - this project, originally based in Lewisham, has a Brockley prefab walk on 5th December. Check out http://www.prefabmuseum.uk.news
Blackheath Scientific Society. Meeting 20th November, 7.45 Mycenae House, Mycenae Road, SE3 Paul Ryan on TV Gathering the Strands. This is about outside broadcasting. Info 020 8854 3389
We have been asked for more details on the Shooters Hill Abbatoir. Grateful for info we can pass on - GIHS did publish an article on the abbatoir and the police raid there and the article is at http://gihs.gold.ac.uk/gihs32.html
We have also been asked for info on pay and conditions in the 1930s at Frederick Braby's Ida Works in Deptford, and Elliotts in Lewisham. They are also interested in social conditions around the factories and any trade union involvement.
Battle of Waterloo. This is going to take place at the Old Royal Naval College on 5th December at 6.30 https:/www.ornc.org/Event/the-british-stage-in-minature-presents-the-battle-of-waterloo-021215
Stuart Rankin has sent us a link to a programme for the launch of HMS Albion - which caused a massive wave where several people were drowned off Woolwich. http://www.britishtransporttrreasures/product/souvenir-of-the-launch-of-hms-albion-by-h-r-h-the-duchess-of-york-june-21st-1898-ebook/
The Lenox Project have a new promotional t shirt for sale as well as other things to fund raise and get you into a present buying mode - http://www.buildthelenox.org.contact/
Archaeology - we are told by English Heritage that work is about to start on the western area of the Alcatel Lucent site. Happy to send links, please contact.,
We have an email from someone who has bought an old pewter mug with'Sea Witch East Greenwich' engraved on it. The Sea Witch was on the riverside near where the silos stood until recently. Grateful for more info.
Henry - at a recent GIHS meeting John King talked about Sir Francis Joseph and it appears that he was involved with Henry's Sacks in Blackwall Lane. We know a bit about the firm but it would be good to pass more onto John. Joseph described how in May 1931 he visited Imperial Wharf in Greenwich - and was not happy with what he saw there. We also have a description of the works and their contribution to the Second World War effort - mainly through producing sacks to put things in which were needed for the war.
Julie Tadman has sent us a list of local water mills insuredin 1824 - this includes Barratts water corn mill at Bugsby's Hole and Riches stream and water corn mills at Greenwich.
Old Loyal Britons - there has been a long planning battle over this old pub in Thames Street and a great deal of research into the building. We were send info in October - but this is now clearly out of date. Would appreciate an update. Planning officers were apparently claiming that it couldn't be old and worth keeping because they said it had been bombed, Researchers were denying this and saying the building was original.
We have a leaflet from the propeller foundry - would be grateful to hear from them again. Why is it called 'propeller foundry' - we thought Stone's propeller factory was in Charlton and that what you have in Deptford is the office block. Please explain.
Treason's Harbours. This is the published version of a conference run by the Naval Dockyards Society in 2011. It includes articles all of which have some relevance to the Royal Dockyards at Deptford and Woolwich. 'The Dog in the Nighttime. Dockyard in the Genre of Naval Historical Fiction', 'All a-sparkle with Gun flashes. The Bay of Rosas in Naval Literature; 'Art in Dockyards' 'The Iron Slip Roof Cover Roofs of the Royal Dockyards 1844-1857' and "The Application and Scheme of Paintworks in British Men-of-War during the late 18th and early 19th Centuries". As well as book reviews and notices. www.navaldockyards.org
PEPYS - and coke. We note the forthcoming exhibition locally about diarist Samuel Pepys. We hope that there is mention of the first time coke (as in processed coal) is noted - Pepys said he saw it being made in Greenwich having disembarked from the ferry. Another Greenwich first - so - is it in the exhibition, or once again are industrial firsts locally too indecent for posh exhibitions at the Maritime Museum.
Check out new ways of buying my book on Innovation on the Greenwich Peninsula - http://www.greenwich.co.uk/peninsula-book/
also - would be very grateful for any local outlet which could sell copies for us - or take some flyers for it (do understand if you might not want to sell)
Also I will be doing presentations on the peninsula for Greenwich Libraries
Lewisham History Journal - the latest Journal has come from Lewisham Local History Society. No 23
It includes articles about George England's (very interesting 19th century at New Cross) Hatcham Iron Works; Industrial Homes in Forest Hill, and Edward Hatfull, Survivor of Trafalgar (he was born in Watergate Street - which is, just, in Greenwich of course.
Also they advertise:
29th January - meeting about, our own, Severndroog Castle. and
26th February - meeting about Tolls, trains and canals (this will be the bit round New Cross)
both at the Methodist Church Hall, Albion Way, Lewisham 7.30-7.45
Peter Kent - has an exhibition of his major new work on current developments in Greenwich and beyond. This is three drawings - aeriel panoramas.
4th December - to 23rd December - Greenwich Gallery, Peyton Place, SE10
or call Tony Othen 020 8465 5968 07956 456647
Thames Discover Programme Foreshore Forum - the next meeting is at the Society of Antiquaries. on 5th December. No link on the piece of paper they sent me - but there is a web site somewhere.
Friends of Greenwich Park Newsletter - this includes some info on their new history group, which sounds all very interesting. There is a meeting on 7th December at 11 in the Wildlife Centre. The newsletter also gives details of archaeologists busy on the site of the Old Keepers Cottage with lots of interesting finds. They also say they are trying to build up a picture of the buildings which were once on the site - which is a nice change for archaeologists! There is also a note about a project about the Great War and the role of the park and its staff in it. Their annual lecture is by Pieter Van Der Merwe on Painters and the Park 21st February in the morning, and you have to book.
Facebook - for some time we have been looking at all the interesting telecoms related information on the Scrambled Messages Facebook Page - they even have our own Enderby Wharf as their banner picture. Look them up, its a great - Bristol based - site. https://www.facebook.com/groups/201073643404535/)
We have now also discovered GooseyGoo which lists industrial sites where there are campaigns or concerned residents and others trying to get them listed, saved, turned into a museum, photographed before demolition, or whatever. Its another great Facebook site - look them up too. https://www.facebook.com/GooseyGooUK/info/?tab=page_info.. Goosey Goo also has a web page - check out the Enderby Group on it http://www.gooseygoo.co.uk/
Greenwich Society Newsletter - they advertise their annual lecture which is about Fortnum and Masons (suppose that is marginally industrial, but not a Greenwich subject) - its £10 to go in and its on 22nd November in the Maritime Museum Lecture Theatre. see greenwichsociety.org.uk.
They also advertise their Question and Answer Session with Matt Pennycook (16th Jan 11 am - dunno where). 27th February Annual Quiz. They have included a note about the Enderby Group (thank you very much) and GIHS future meetings (thank you again - very grateful).
Also check out new ways of buying my book on Innovation on the Greenwich Peninsula - http://www.greenwich.co.uk/peninsula-book/ (and thanks Rob for sorting this out)
BETTER (which is Greenwich Library Department, as was)says
DOCKLANDS HISTORY GROUP
- this is their new programme - all talks at the Museum of London Docklands. E14 5.30 for 6
3rd February - David Hilling. On barge carrier systems
2nd March - Len Taphouse. Five years a Dockyard apprentice
6th April Edward Sargent. The Port of London Authority's works programme in the First World War
4th May Joan Lock. The Princess Alice Disaster
1st June. Des Pawson. For Sailor, Rigger and Sailmaker. Tools for the Rope and Canvas Working Trades
6th July. Peter Finch. The River Thames Society
They also report on their November meeting which was on Trinity Buoy Wharf - which is just the other side of the river from GMV - where there is a small lighthouse. We are asking their permission to reproduce this. Their October meeting was about Roman Walbrook and their August meeting was our own Richard Buchanan on Enderbys.
We have been given a link to an organisation which hopes to rebuild the Cutty Sark (hope they don't spoil bids for funding for the Lenox!!). http//cutty.sark.org.
TIDAL THAMES NEWS - this bulletin from the Port of London Authority comes regularly. You have to subscribe to it because it is all fixed up so you can't forward it to your friends. This month has an article about new Clippers for the passenger service.
The latest issue of Industrial Archaeology has come in the post. No articles about Greenwich - in fact the nearest they get to us in this issue is Cumbria. There is however a very short review of Brian Strong's GLIAS article on the east Greenwich tide mill.
Sorry to keep pushing my own works. Need to be a bit shameless maybe,
'Innovation, Enterprise and Change on the Greenwich Peninsula' is still available (but I have just opened the LAST BOX). Copies are for sale at Sabo, Stockwell Street, The Warwick Leadlay Galley, Nelson Road, Greenwich Peninsula Ecology Centre, and the NOW Galley, Greenwich Peninsula Square. or from me email@example.com. Or from Rob who can also handle paypal.http://www.greenwich.co.uk/peninsula-book/
- and also buy some of Rob's wonderful calendars of Greenwich or the Thames http://www.londonphotocalendars.co.uk/royal-greenwich-2016/
Also -next week - I am doing presentations on the peninsula and its history:
16th Wednesday - 6.00-700 Greenwich Centre Library
17th Thursday - 7-8 Blackheath Library
Great launch event at the Greenwich Gallery for Peter Kent's amazing 'The Birth of London's Newest City'. Go and see it - its on until the 23rd. 9-5.30 weekdays, 12-4 weekends. Honestly. This is amazing.
www.peterkentgreenwich.co.uk www.johnpayne.com (the sponsors)
As ever - various events
20th January - The Archaeology and History of the Kings Cross Goods Yard. Rebecca Haslam. 6.30 Swedenborg Hall.
17th February. Father Thames. Still alive and kicking. The changing role of Thames Wharves. David Hilling. 6.30 Swedenborg Hall.
16th March, Gold Refining in London. Michaele Blagg. 6.30 75 Cowcross Street
20th April The Restoration of Historic Buildings. An Engineer's perspective. 6.15 75 Cowcross Street
18th May. AGM. Played in London. The Heritage of a City at Play. Simon Inglis 6.15 75 Cowcross Street
Guided Towpath Walks by the Inland Waterways Association, all over Christmas. www.waterways.org.uk
10th February. Newcomen Society. Susan Mossman on 'Onward ever' Henry Bessemer and his Works. 5.45 Science Museum (bet she doesn't mention his Greenwich Works)
SERIAC - 23rd April. Kingston on Thames.
The GLIAS Newsletter also lists down items from the London Archaeologists Fieldwork Roundup for 2014.. Greenwich items are:
Enderby House. evaluation to locate c17-18 gunpowder magazine built 1694. Found C17 brick foundation and robbed wall of magazine
King Henry's Dock SE18. evaluation of site of Graving Dock found three phases of features: timber posts and a horizontal beam from an early phase: a wall from the second phase: and a mooring bollard and two brick structures 'most likely a dock crane' from the post 1850's phase.
Greenwich Market - building survey: designed by Joseph Kay. 1833. Hipped roof of market is steel based structure of 1905-8
Pelton Road and Commerell Street SE10. industrial buildings.
Convoys Wharf. found brick and concrete wall foundations and possibly crane bases from the Nineteenth Century; a stone structrure which could be part of Stern Dock Entrance and a possible continuation of a slipway wall. Also dug test pits inside and outside the Olympia Building and a cast iron structure of 1844 originally erected as cover for Slipways.
There is also an article praising Rich Sylvester's Greenwich Peninsula map and urges that it be made more available http://fegp.typepad.com/friends/2010/07/east-greenwich-history-map.html
Arco Trent - another article in the GLIAS Newsletter discusses Richard Wilson's ''Slice of Reality' which has been round the back of the Dome since 2000. It says that this was originally the Arco Trent built in 1971. 'Originally a dredger, in later life she served as a floating booster station, modified to assist other vessels in the discharge of aggregate at more remote locations, even in open water'. She is currently used as a studi
Finally - there is a note in the newsletter from Gillian Friar who has a collection of books and research materials about John Evelyn and would be happy to donate them to someone interested. AG@Parfrey.co.uk
INDUSTRIAL ARCHAEOLOGY NEWS
This is the Association for Industrial Archaeology's Winter 2015 edition.
They advertise their new web site industrial-archaeology.org.
The edition also includes an article on Enderby Wharf - this is by - er - me - and there is also a small advert for my new book - so, thanks AIA.
BLACKHEATH SCIENTIFIC SOCIETY
18th December - talks on Mechanical Calculators, My Wife's Iron Fork, The Last Vulcan Bomber Flight.
15th January - Managing the Crossness Nature Reserve.
both at Mycenae House n7.45
THE LENOX PROJECT
Their winter fair is 12th December (that's tomorrow) at Lewisham Arthouse, 140 Lewisham Way. 11-6. lots of new t-shirts, and other stud with a 'fabulous design'. You can also buy direct from them. They also have a new brochure which is available on their web site. www.buildthelenox.org.
MARIE CELESTE DE CASTERAS. Ann Dingsdale writes: " I am researching the 1,499 women who signed the 1866 womens' suffrage petition in 1866. We plan to celebrate the local women who signed with a walk in May to mark the 150th anniversary (40 years before the Suffragettes!)
I have been interested to find that one woman who signed in Greenwich took out some interesting engineering patents in the early 1860's, and if GIHS know anything more about her. She was Marie Celeste de Castres SInibaldi, a naturalised Frenchwoman,born 1808, and married to a Corsican professor of Italian, Luigi Sinibaldi. Iin the 1860's she was living at 1 South Villas, South
Street. Her son was an engineer,Napoleon Sinibaldi and hHer brother in law Pierre Sinibaldi was a
These are the details of the patents: 1862 October 31 No 2945. Improvements in the manufacture of armour plates for ships fortifications and forts, and in the manufacture of plates to be used in the construction and building of ships and for other purposes, and for attaching copper or other like protective metal to the outside of metal plates for making copper bottoms or bottoms with a similar protection to Iron ships. The method of constructing armour plates for building ships of war is to use laminated plates combining iron and steel and also plates of iron without steel perfectly wrought and to unite them by soldering with copper brass or other metal in the manner described. To procure great strength laminated plates of steel and iron are used in combination. Plates for building ships for the merchant service are manufactured in like manner but with thinner plates. By the same means I produce all other formation of iron for machinery, beams and other purposes.By the process described, an external coat of copper or other protective metal can be given to each plate of iron which when the plates are used in the construction of ships will produce the effect of copper bottoms
August 22, 1862. 2205. To Marie Celeste Sinibaldi of 1, South villas South-street, Greenwich, in the county of Kent, for the invention of "improvements in the manufacture of chains, and in the
apparatus employed therein."
Notes of meetings - but all they do is West London - and I know they would blame us for not offering them a south east London Labour Heritage Day. However......
20th February West London History Day. Ruskin Hall, Acton,. W3
21st May AGM. Unite the Union Offices, Holborn, WC2
EAST END WATERWAYS GROUP- only just over the other side of the river - they have sent us details of their letters on planning proposals for the Hackney Wick area - 'the science park of the 1840s'. Happy to pass details on.
This post really a lot of small items about this and that. Depths of winter must be a bad time for news of industrial history in Greenwich.
GIHS has however been very busy with an excellent talk by Polly and Michael about Ballast Quay - and shortly something from David Ramzam on sports history in Greenwich. The Enderby Group has been busy too with plans for events and publications. Last night Friends of the Foot Tunnels had their AGM and hope to announce something very interesting soon - and - by the way - does anyone feel friendly towards the Blackwall Tunnel?? I thought probably not, but, that doesn't mean we should ignore its past and the ideas behind it construction, both in engineering and ideological terms,
Rich Sylvester is doing a talk at Greenwich Library Lates about history map http://better.org.uk/lates
Wednesday, 3rd February Making an East Greenwich History Map. Rich Sylvester will share stories, images and objects that have contributed to this unique local history map designed by Luke Eastop.
Complimentary copies of the map available. Rich is a local resident, storyteller and guide.
Follow Rich at http://richstories.mayfirst.org/ 18:30 - 20:00
London Walks - the Enderby Group has been keen to point out the connection, throught the mega-ship Great Eastern, of Enderby Wharf with 19th century mega engineers, Brunel, father and son. The Rotherhithe based Brunel Museum runs a series of Brunel walks, which although they don't visit Enderby Wharf, it is pointed out. Please encourage them to do more - and also visit the excellent little Museum, which is at the rear of Rotherhithe Station
Walks include Sundays at 10.45 at Bermondsey Tube. and Saturdays and Thursdays Brunel's London - 10.45 from Embankment Tube.
Stuart Rankin - who used to be Rothethithe based and did a lot of research there on shipbuilding is now based in Spain and has sent us links to his British Transport Treasures business.
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