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Letters November 2003

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Letters November 2003

From: Cllr. Paul Tyler
Re: The RACS Archives.
I have just negotiated a swap with Julian Watson - the RACS Political Committee minutes (hardcopy) for Comradeship 1896-? We already have a microfilm copy of the minutes at the History Library. The bound copy will go to Manchester. We now have ALL the local RACS Archives in situ at Woolwich Arsenal, where they belong. Mission accomplished! There is hardly anything at Sun Yard now; we have found a home for all of the archives, and only the library is left. Most of the artefacts have been sold and the photograph collection is at Dartford. Following on from the allocation of RACS Records I have some further good news. Next year, which is the centenary of Woolwich regional government (LCC elections) a conference is being organised, which will be funded (hopefully) by the Regional Coop. One the themes of the conference will be Work, Education, and Politics 1868 - 1904. It will look at the contributions of the RACS, and the trade union and labour movement. The conference will also address the changing/developments London in the 1930s and 40s. It is hoped that not only will this conference attract Coop and Labour members, but students as well. It is being organised by Karen Froggett (Coop UK Regional Secretary), Ron Roffey, Peter Collier (RACS Archival Assistant), and myself.


From: Carolyn Howe

I'm not sure whether you may be able to help, but I thought I'd try! My husband's ancestors were Shipwrights in Deptford from 1720's through to the early 1800s. We are anxious to find out more about the Deptford Shipbuilding industry. Any help would be appreciated.


From: Angela Smith

I e-Mailed you some time ago about George Mence Smith who founded a chain of hardware stores. One of his ancestors has in her possession a book of beautifully drawn items such as plans for what appear to be castles, and more interestingly a plan for a canal to join the Thames across the loop it makes at Greenwich. It would seem that it was proposed to shorten the Thames shipping route. The plans are all dated in the 1830's and signed G Smith. We don't know anything about them and don't think they are a G Smith from the family. The drawings appear to have been produced by someone with surveying in mind. Have you ever come across any plan for a canal at Greenwich?


From: Elizabeth Howard

Many thanks to Mr. Philip Binns for alerting me to the fine History of Blackheath Village and Environs, by Neil Rhind. In Vols. 1 and 3 the Bennett familyof watch and clockmakers are discussed extensively. It is clear from the illustrations of Tranquil Vale in the 1870s that the two clocks, one above and one overhanging the pavement, at Bennett's shop are from the same maker as the Tower clock at Royal Arsenal Woolwich, the movement of which is dated 1836, and the winding mechanism marked Bennett of Blackheath. I am indebted to Mr. Binns for pointing me in the right direction and to Mr. Rhind for his marvellous book detailing the history of the Bennett family. Never was a tenner better spent!


From: English Heritage

This summer has seen the publication of important consultation documents by the DCMS, both available on their website. These are: Protecting our Historic Environment - and the Historic Environment Records - (consultation on the future of Sites and Monuments Records). These, together with other changes to planning legislation, could significantly alter the ways in which the historic environment is managed. It has been described as a once in a generation opportunity to influence this aspect of government.


From: David Ramzan (Charlton supporter since 1965)

I was looking through your pages trying to find some information on the Charlton sand pits and saw a message about the Merryweather pumping machines. I was born in Greenwich and now live on Romney Marsh and being a Charlton Athletic supporter I was surprised to come across a fire engine in Lydd museum that was made by Merryweather's of Greenwich, Merryweather's were associated with Charlton Athletic in the Club's early formation. The engine has a lot of history behind it and is in excellent condition. In 1905 a group of young boys from the North Charlton area of South East London formed a football club and named it Charlton Athletic. The club played its initial matches on a piece of waste ground owned by the Siemens telegraph works near East Street. A committee was set up and the first headquarters was in the now demolished public house called The Crown. Amongst the committee members was a Joe Merryweather. Although there is no mention of his profession, a family member of the company Merryweather's was named Joe and from the records available, he was around at the same period of time. Joe Merryweather was involved with the club up until at least 1914, and was the last surviving member of this first committee until his death in 1977. A local fishmonger Arthur Bryan was also involved with the committee. Joe's son recalls that his father told him that the fishmonger supplied haddock to the players for after-match suppers. This is confirmed by cartoons from the local papers of the day, and is the origin of the club nickname 'The Addicks'. Joe Merryweather, who was also a former timekeeper for the Boxing Board of Control, kept the name going in later years by parading around the pitch holding up a board with a picture of a haddock on it.
Also can I take this opportunity to ask if you have any information on the history of the Charlton sand pits?



From: Andrew Hunt
From the Nuffield Foundation we run a general interest Web site to tell people about the way science and technology have shaped London. We also provide information about lots of easily accessible science places and events for the public and visitors to London. Anyone can contribute to the site and it is easy to do so. Please consider putting in a link to our site from the links section of your web site.

The Web Editor writes: We don't currently operate a links section on this site. Perhaps we should? 


Ian Barrow
My Grandfather lived and worked in Greenwich all his life. For much of his working life he toiled on the 'Rubbish Barges'. He was dockside-based and loaded and levelled the loads. I would be interested to find out more about the work he did. He died last year aged 100, so I am unable to ask him now. Can anyone help?


From: Mary Paterson
I have a gold medal that belonged to my Grandfather dated 1898-9 for 'WDL Winners'. He worked in the Arsenal at that time, and despite many hours searching I cannot find out what WDL might have been. Can you suggest anything?


From: John Porter
On the river wall, at Millwall, were two marks 700 feet apart, and between them in large letters was written,' THE GREAT EASTERN BUILT HERE 1858'. The biggest ship in the world, built here in London, a size not exceeded for fifty years, and now there is nothing to show for it as the words have gone. London should be proud of Brunei's masterpiece, certainly enough to bear the cost of re-painting the wall to remind all river users of our heritage. I can think of no one better to campaign for this to be done than you.


From: Keith Furlong
My father worked man and boy at Siemens Brothers (later AEI) in Woolwich until it closed. He has often mentioned the Engineering Society he belonged to and wondered if it still existed. Have you any more recent information I could use?


From: Nicole Weller, Museum of London

This is to introduce myself as the new Portable Antiquities Liaison Officer and Community archaeologist for Greater London. I have been in post at the Museum of London since 28 July. I am looking forward to setting up a working relationship with the archaeological societies and clubs based within the Greater London area. The main purpose of my Community Archaeologist role will be to build upon the invaluable work of my predecessor Vanessa Bunton and to promote the involvement of individuals and community groups in London's archaeology and in particular by supporting local archaeological societies. At a later date perhaps I could talk to your members about the Portable Antiquities Scheme, the Treasure Act and any other related issues that your members would be 


From: Chris from Downunder

I am researching the family "Hillier". The first of my ancestors (from Bishops Canning) to arrive in Australia came on board (a brig) "Neptune", sailing from Deptford to Cork, Ireland and no port of call until Sydney, Australia.
I am very interested to acquire a sketch of the port/wharf at around this time. How they would have travelled etc. to reach the port, and maybe info on the weather in October, 1843. They were assisted emigrants, so they were not wealthy. Thank you to anyone who can help me in this mammoth search.


From: Irene and Graham

My husband is trying to find details of the circumstances of the death of an ancestor of his, William Walden, born about l867 possibly Charlton Vale, Woolwich. His niece believes that William, who was a tug driver, was killed whilst on duty on the Thames Tug "Harlow" during the 2nd World War. I understand that reports of such events may not have appeared in newspaper articles at the time. Would you know where I might find details? The exact status of tug drivers, and indeed tug skippers seems to be difficult to establish. Were they qualified, and if so, by whom?


From: Iris Bryce

Just a quickie - as a child I often accompanied my father on his Sunday morning walks, which included calling at one or two his favourite pubs. One of these was the Union (now the Cutty Sark) and I would sit on one of the wide benches that were placed outside the pub on the banks of the river. Most of the barge builders preferred to sit outside and once or twice they were almost too late bringing the benches up when an extra high tide was due! They always pronounced the name as The Onion - and I heard the same name applied in the past to a public house in Woolwich, which was situated in a street at the back of Cuff's Departmental Store.


From: Gary and Stella Wenko
I read an article on the Internet from your society regarding the firm Redpath Brown. I currently work in an aircraft hangar, an "A" Type Shed built by Redpath Brown of 1931, to be exact, on RAF Station Mildenhall, and would very much like to know the original purpose of the many rooms of the hangar. Any information would be greatly appreciated.


From: Trevor Owen

I'm interested in finding detail of an engineer, Isaac Dixon, who sailed in Siemens's SS Faraday in the late 19th century. Do you know where I might be able to find records, archives, etc. which might detail Isaac's service on the ship? And photos of the officers and crew of the ship? Do you know whether Siemens have an archives department and how I can get in touch?



Reviews and snippets November 2003

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NEWS
AN APOLOGY - in our issue last June an article about the Shooters Hill abattoir was wrongly attributed to the author's helper - not to the main writer who was Steve Barr (sorry Steve).



LONDON OPEN HOUSE DAY included the opening of 'A Slice of Reality'. This sliced-through section of a ship stands in the river alongside the pathway at the back of the Dome. This is used as a studio by the originator of the piece, Richard Wilson and it was a startling and interesting experience to go aboard. Richard Wilson writes "I sometimes cycle to the 'Slice' - whatever happened to our shipbuilding heritage? I can certainly give you some info about the 'Slice'. Come aboard again if ever the gangway is down.




VALE OF GLAMORGAN RAILWAY

Howard Chard has pointed out to us the connections between this Welsh Railway and Eltham.
He quotes from Colin Chapman's The Vale of Glamorgan Railway (Oakwood 1998). It says;
'In June 1888 Colonel John Thomas North (1842-1896) acquired the Llynvi and Tondu Co. (L&T) which owned coal mines and iron works to the north of Bridgend. An engineer from Leeds, North had made a fortune out of various nitrate enterprises in Chile as a result of which he had acquired the sobriquet; the 'Nitrate King'. He lived at Avery Hill, Eltham, where his neighbour was John Joseph Smith, receiver and manager of the L&T Co. …'.

The story goes that it was at a garden party at Avery Hill that Smith and Col. North concluded a deal whereby the latter was to acquire the L&T Co, transaction being completed on 10th July, 1888, through a private syndicate called the 'Western Navigation Collieries Syndicate'. Under a further agreement, dated 29th August 1888, North undertook to transfer the contract of sale to this syndicate, which changed its name to 'North's Navigation Collieries Syndicate Ltd'. Finally on 19th January 1889 this syndicate agreed to sell its assets to 'North's Navigation Collieries (1889) (NNC) Co. Ltd.', in which Colonel North was the major shareholder. The company had a registered capital of £450,000, divided into 90,000 shares of £5 each.
The property acquired by Colonel North comprised six collieries in the Bridgend valleys: Park Slip near Tondu; Wyndham and Tynewydd in the Ogmore Valley; and No. 9 Level, Maesteg Deep and Coegnant at Maesteg; together with iron works at Maesteg (which was rapidly dismantled and sold) and Tondu, along with various other related assets. Extensive holdings of steam and house coal were also acquired, and a new pit was sunk at Caerau in the Llynfi Valley



BOOKS & PUBLICATIONS

FROM GASLIGHT, SEPT 2003
"Good prose is like a window-pane." (George Orwell (1903-50).

A NIGHT TO REMEMBER
The 19th January 1967 was the 50th anniversary of the Silvertown explosion and also the night when the gasholder at East Greenwich collapsed and about 7 million cubic feet of gas went up in flames. I expect there are a lot of people in South-East London who remember this night and also many of the Board's pensioners, and I am one of them. At the time I was 16 years of age and was an apprentice at J. Stones of Deptford and my father was the valve man on duty at the time the gasholder collapsed. I knew that my father would be at work and I had heard that there was a big fire at East Greenwich Gas Works so I left Deptford to make my way to Greenwich to see if my Dad was alright. As hundreds of shop windows were broken by the explosion I was lucky to get there as I was cycling at the time and there was glass everywhere but I made it. When I got to the Gas Works there were fire engines everywhere also a number of police. I told the gatekeeper who I was and why I had come so he allowed me to go and see my Dad. As I went along the yard I saw the collapsed holder screwed up like a ball of paper. I was glad to find my father was alright but badly shaken. I was about to leave for home when a gentleman came along and asked my father who I was.
My father told him I was his son and had come down to see if he was alright. So the gentleman turned to me and said," Well, my boy, your father is quite safe and you go home and tell your mother that your father will be home at his usual time", and that was the first time I met Dr. Carpenter who was Chairman of the South Metropolitan Gas Company. My father received the O.B.E. from the King for his part in helping to keep the gas flowing into the mains of the district. He also received a sum of money from the Board of Directors. I joined the South Met Gas Company in July 1919 in the fitter's shop as a fitter's turner and served nearly 43 happy years in the same shop until I retired in June 1962."
Mr. A.R.Innes, former fitter and turner recorded in the Segas Journal, February 1967.



JOURNAL OF THE GREENWICH HISTORICAL SOCIETY
The 2003 Journal contains articles on the Lodges of Greenwich Park (by Peter Guillery), The Theft of Nelson's Relics in 1900 (by Anthony Cross, and Shaftsbury House, A Place of Safety (by Harold Marchant). All good stuff, but not actually industrial.



PERFORATED METALS

For a snip Mary has acquired a copy of Perforated Metals produced by Charlton-based G.A.Harvey & Co. Ltd. - anyone interested is welcome but they should be warned that this book consists of 185 pages of pictures of holes!



The Greenwich Mural

We have been sent (by Ron Eteson of the Croydon Natural History Society) a copy of an article from Concrete Quarterly (No.108 Jan/Mar 1976) which describes the installation and design of the mural now languishing on the wall of the semi derelict Greenwich District Hospital. The article reveals that the Hospital, built between 1962 and 1976 was the largest ever architectural project undertaken by a Government Department. The mural was designed and executed by Phillipa Threlfall on precast concrete slabs using a variety of stones, many coming from the Amey Roadstone Corporation. There has been a local campaign to ensure that the mural is found a new home when the hospital is finally demolished - it would be only too easy to wake up one day and find that it has been smashed by contractors. 



MODERN CONSTRUCTION
We have been lent (by David Perrett) a copy of Modern Construction - The Works of Thomas and Edge Woolwich, SE18 (photocopies possible). This Woolwich based construction company built many important buildings both locally and elsewhere.

It is illustrated with many examples of their work. Local buildings on which they worked include: Fuel Research Station, Eltham Post Office, Woolwich Gun Sheds, Army Medical Reserve Stores, temporary hostels for munitions workers, additions to the Royal Herbert Hospital, various stores in the Arsenal, Woolwich factory for H. Collier and Sons, John James textile factory Wood Street, Woolwich, retail premises in Powis and Hare Streets, Aldertons factory Plumstead, Frosts Rope Factory, Anchor and Hope Lane, Harvey's factory, Greenwich, Theatre Royal Woolwich, Palace Cinema Eltham, Woolwich Public Library, Woolwich Soldiers Institution, Woolwich sewerage work, Plumstead Labour Club, Plumstead and District Working Men's Club Bostall Hill, Lloyds Bank and City and Midland Bank Woolwich, Cottage Homes Bostall Heath., St. Mark's Church Plumstead, Wesleyan Chapel The Slade, 288 council houses in Shooters Hill Road, Mr. Colliers house on Shooters Hill, The Queen Victoria Woolwich and the Carpenters Arms, Woolwich.



Founded on Iron - Thames Ironworks and the origins of West Ham United
Brian Belton (Tempus 2003).

Although concerned with a football club from North of the River this book is of interest to Greenwich readers because a section of it deals with the Deptford and Greenwich based Hills family, in particular Frank Hills. By some strange co-incidence much of the section on the Hills bears a startling similarity to material published in Mary Mills''The Early East London Gas Industry and its Waste Products. Sadly, there are no footnotes.


WOODLANDS
As many of our readers will know the Greenwich Local History Library moved recently from its long-term home at Woodlands in Mycenae Road for a home at the new Heritage Centre in Woolwich. So, what will happen to Woodlands? Over the past few weeks Greenwich Council has been undertaking a consultation with local people to get their views on this (this closed on 31st October). Janet Haworth, has written this short history of the House as information for those who want to make a contribution.

The History
Woodlands and Mycenae House play a part in our local history which working people, black and white and Roman Catholic should be proud to acknowledge and celebrate.
Woodlands was built as the home of John Julius Angerstein, reputedly one of the (many!) illegitimate sons of Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia.
John Julius was a wealthy insurance underwriter and one of the founders of Lloyd's of London. He made generous donations to the widows and orphans of seafarers lost at sea and set up the Patriotic Fund to make payments to sailors maimed in the Napoleonic wars. Admiral Lord Nelson received a silver dinner service and wrote to thank Angerstein. The letter and plate are in the Nelson Room at Lloyd's.
By marriage, John Julius inherited a sugar plantation in Grenada, but rather than simply accepting his role as a slave owner he joined the Committee for the Black Poor in 1786 to campaign for better conditions for the plantation workers. He also championed the cause of chimney sweeps, arguing for better pay and health and safety conditions.
A great patron of the arts, John Julius collected paintings from The British School of artists such as Joshua Reynolds, Hogarth and Thomas Lawrence, and when he died the Angerstein Collection of pictures was offered to the nation. It formed the basis of the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square, though two of the paintings are now at Tate Britain.

After the Angerstein family moved out, Woodlands continued as a private home for many years and then was taken over by the Little Sisters of the Assumption, whose mission is to help the sick and needy. In the days before the National Health Service, the poor of Westcombe Park and Blackheath could not afford doctors, nurses or medicines, and the Little Sisters nursed them free of charge, forbidden by their holy vows to accept so much as a glass of water in return for their services! The Sisters built Mycenae House alongside Woodlands to house their novices, and their archivist Sister Margaret Lonegan still remembers its days as a convent. The nuns left in 1967 and Woodlands became a library and art gallery and Mycenae House a community centre.


BLACKWALL POINT POWER STATION

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BLACKWALL POINT POWER STATION
By Frederick Gair


Blackwall Power Station was constructed on a small (three acre) site at the North West end of River Way.  The switch house, laboratory, drawing office, and office block were on the opposite side of the road. Being such a small site, the dust precipitators were unusually installed on the boiler house roof, from where you could look down onto the gas works site to the North West.

The jetty at the end of the road covered the circulating water intake and there were two jetty cranes for unloading the colliers.  The Station would have required about 1200 tons of coal/day.  The coal stock area was also at the river end of the main building.

Blackwall Point was the first London power station to be designed and built exclusively to be fired by pulverised fuel.  Coal from overhead bunkers, was ground to a talcum powder level of fineness by Babcock and Wilcox E type pressurised mills, and transported to the furnace by Primary Air fans.  Combustion was regulated by the then popular Bailey Control System.

The boilers were standard Babcock steam generators with economiser, static air pre- heaters and forced draught and induced draft fans.  Ash handling used the Babcock Hydrojet system for furnace bottom ash and fly ash.  Full load would have produced about 150 tons/day and this was removed by road.

The stop valve steam condition were 600 p.s.i.g.  (Not 60 as on your web site) and 850 degrees Fahrenheit.

The Turbo-alternators ran at 3000 rpm and consisted of one HP cylinder exhausting into a duplex LP cylinder and finally into a transverse condenser directly below.  Normally, the condenser vacuum would be at least 29 inches of mercury.

The first manager, then known as the Station Superintendent, was a Mr. Arthur Cox, who I believe, was promoted from Barking Power Station.  The early post war years saw Britain sadly ill equipped for electricity production and design standards were ordered by the Chairman of the newly nationalised industry, Walter Citrine.


Firstly 30mw machines and soon after 60mw machines, as at Brunswick Wharf, on the opposite side of the river.  Each machine was operated by two men with two more men running the associated boiler.  Today's practice is for two men only to operate a complete boiler /turbine unit of 660mw capacity.  That is a change in about 30 years from 7.5mw/man to 330mw/ man.




A3kv motors driving the circulating water pumps which took water from the Thames and passed it through several thousand small bore tubes in the condensor

Ade of the Primary Air Fans which blew air through the coal pulverising mills and conveyed the fuel to the boiler burners.

The ash handling pump house 

No.3 Turbo Alternator.  The large spoked wheel in the foreground operates the Emergency Stop Valve. This valve is used to regulate the machine speed on run up to the point when the Governor takes over. Thereafter the valve is open and can close in a few milli-seconds in the event of overspeed.  Behind, and partly obscured by the wheel, is the mushroom shaped enclosure for the speed governor.  Steam enters the machine at the front and passes through the high pressure cylinder. It is then conveyed via the two large cross over pipes to the mid point of the twin low pressure cylinders. Exhaust from the low pressure cylinder is to the two transverse condensers below in the basement. At the far end is the 30MW air cooled generator.


Shows most of all three of the machines. Tacked on to the end of the nearest alternator is the DC generator which was used to supply the magnetising current for the alternator rotor. Behind this alternator can be seen the turbine gauge board.  Above this is the top part of the boiler control panel hidden by the top right hand corner of the turbine gauge board, is the  motor of the boiler feed pump

: Turbine Gauge Board

Letters January 2004

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Letters January 2004

From Sue Bullock

I read with interest a letter posted by Ted Barr concerning the Silvertown explosion on your website. My grandfather was serving with the East Sussex regiment and was in attendance and at the aftermath of the explosion, and was injured himself in the process. 

From Mary Cousins

I wonder whether your society has any information on the engineering firm, Lister Bros, which was situated in Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, SE18, demolished in the ‘60s. Or any information on Belmont Laundry situated in the same road, established around 1900 – proprietor Maria Lister.
My father was Samuel Lister who owned Lister Bros and the 'derelict laundry' next door, the Belmont Laundry. He was about 74 when I was born in 1948 and unfortunately because of the age difference with my relations I did not keep in touch. I remember the house in Nightingale Vale, no 59, and running down a steep slope to enter the laundry and of course the engineering works.
I have no family and eventually any bits and pieces I have will most probably end up on a bonfire when I die. I have a couple of photos of the laundry at the end of the nineteenth century with my father and some of the girls that worked there, plus some architectural drawings of buildings my grandmother had built for collection of the laundry in 1901 and wondered if anything like this would be of interest to anyone - maybe some archives somewhere? 

From Mary Sheppard

I am having a real problem locating a great grand father. Thomas Knight who we believe was in the Royal Horse Artillery at Woolwich in 1861.  Have you any suggestions as to where to go for information. 

From Rob Ward
I read in your newsletter a letter from Jon Garvey concerning a bakery ran by the Tyler family.
I am researching the Ward family in Woolwich and Greenwich who were also bakers. I am interested in Mary Elizabeth Ward (daughter of John Ward, baker and meatman) who probably married John James Tyler in 1823.  I would be most grateful to see if there are any connections. 

From Mr. Hambly
I looked at an article by Mr. Harry Pearman on the Plumstead chalk mines in Wickham Lane, well - when I was a young boy in approximately 1967 -68 we used to crawl on our bellies down into the chalk mine which is near if I can remember Abbey Wood camping site just up Bostall Hill on the right. Can any body remember this mine, which we played in. As far as I can see it was sealed off in the late 1960-s I hope this is some use. 

From Debbie Burchell

Myself and my cousins have just started the process of tracing our family tree. I have been informed that our Great Grandparents (we think!) were shareholders in the Lovibonds Brewery and had links in the Brewery Trade. I am really asking your advice on how we can find out further details about the brewery and whether they were actually shareholders!!  

From Iris Bryce
Re Janet Haworth's History of Woodlands (in our last issue) I wondered if at the time that it was built if land went as far as the street in which I was born, and the surrounding streets as they all have names relevant...i.e.: Woodland Street (renamed in the 1930's to Woodland Walk,. Woodland Grove,  Walnut Tree Road, Earlswood Street? 

From M.J.Chalk

My grandparents and parents lived in Wood Wharf until the 1940s. I am particularly interested in R.H.Green & Siley Weir where my grandfather and father worked on boiler makers plates. I would be grateful for any information.

From Ann Coats, Secretary, Naval Dockyards Society
Currently we have over 200 members throughout the world, including many ex-dockyard personnel, family historians researching their dockyard worker ancestors, and academics. Our first issue of books and articles relating to naval dockyard facilities is available and the latest edition is on our website.
In 1999 the Society started to creating an index and database of a class of documents at the Public Record Office which will increase access to a rich source for dockyard history. The last workshop was at the National Maritime Museum Greenwich, looking at Navy Board Letters 1738-1775 in ADM/B. It also introduced members to the process of creating a computerised database to further our knowledge of dockyard history. We urgently need more volunteers.
As well as news and other snippets, the site contains links to other sites of interest to naval dockyard enthusiasts and maritime history in general. The site depends on input from members so any contributions are welcome especially pictorial.  

From Nick Bartlett
I am seeking any information on a watchmakers’ shop at 4 Wellington Street, Woolwich which was in business in the 1870s. It was probably under the name of John Willmann, an immigrant from near Freiburg, Germany. 

From Peter Trigg
Now that the water tower of the Brook Hospital has been partly rebuilt to incorporate a flats, does anyone know if any of the original pumping equipment survives? 
It is possible that the pumps were steam powered and converted to electric power in more recent times. Even old electrical equipment has a lot of interest and it would be a shame if any such equipment is destroyed.

From Howard Chard
One of my Christmas presents this year was ‘Lost Railways of Surrey’ by Leslie Oppitz   (Countryside Books 2002).  On page 74 is a picture of a Greenwich built  Merryweather tram at Bisley Camp in 1907.  In the text it explains that a tramway was built at the National Rifle Association’s original site at Wimbledon in 1864 to carry people from the firing ranges to and from a camp. In 1877 a ‘steam tram car was made available to the NRA comprising a boxed in design and weighing about 4 tons’. The locomotive was named Wharncliffe and inaugurated by the Prince of Wales.  In 1898 the NRA moved to Bisley, taking Wharncliffe with them.  The book gives details about the further history of the line built there – and the remains which are still to be seen. But nothing about what happened to Wharncliffe itself!


Reviews and snippets January 2004

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Reviews and snippets January 2004 


In Sptember 1903 we published an article by Bruce Osborne about a weight, which may have come from the Ballast Quay area.  The article came from an old GLIAS Newsletter and we had been unable to track down Bruce for permission to reproduce the article. Thanks to Paul Sowan we have now found him and he writes “ There is no problem with publishing the article from my point of view. I had forgotten it!  It is so good to hear that it has surfaced after 20 years.  I am now into spas and so a blast from the past is very refreshing, if not surprising! Dr.Bruce Osborne, Spas Research Fellowship.




Naval Dockyards Society Tour

In October a small number of GIHS members joined members of the Naval Dockyards Society to see the dockyard  models in the National Maritime Museum Kidbrook Store. These date from 1774 and while First Lord of the Admiralty, the Earl of Sandwich instigated the building of these models after his visitation of Plymouth dockyard in June 1771, where he saw 'a very ingenious model of the whole carved in wood by the foreman of the yard'. In July 1771 the Admiralty ordered models of all the yards to be made. They were completed between March and August 1774 and presented to George III with plans of each yard showing their states at three different Periods Viz:' 1689,1698, and 1774, showing at one view the alterations and Improvements from time to time made: The Plans of 1774 agree with the Models of the Yards prepared and herewith sent for His Majesty’s use, showing all the Buildings, Docks, Slips &£:'' in their due proportions, and each distinguished whether of Brick Stone or Timber. A tour was given by John Graves of the National Maritime Museum
It should also be noted that the store itself is a very interesting building to local industrial historians – being the old RAF wartime depot hidden away at the end of Nelson Mandela Way.  More information about either models or depot would be very welcome.

NORTON BARGE BUILDERS

A very obscure web site (I can’t work out the web address because of the pop ups from ‘dogpile’ – but I think it originates in Canada) has a family tree and some information about the Norton Barge Building family whose works was near the site of what is now the Millennium Village.  They reproduce an article from GIHS Newsletter which comes from Pat O’Driscoll about the firm (its ok Pat, they do acknowledge you, if not us!).  The site also includes a very detailed Norton family tree.


The Development of Industry in Woolwich and the Growth of Woolwich.

This year Woolwich Antiquarians asked Tony Robins, their President, to give the Vincent Memorial Lecture and his subject was the 'Development of Industry in Woolwich and the Growth of Woolwich'.
He spoke first of all about ‘The Primary stage’ - the beginnings of Woolwich. It is thought is that Woolwich started as a small fishing village by the River and the inhabitants depended on available natural resources such as farming, fishing, forestry and quarrying of local sand, gravel, chalk etc.
At the Secondary stage Woolwich Dockyard was established by King Henry VIII. There was abundant timber from the local forests and access to the River Thames. The opening of the Dockyard both in Woolwich and further upstream at Deptford brought employment for the variety of skills required in shipbuilding and ship maintenance. With the building of ships they required guns. A place was needed to hold and test the guns. A suitable site was found not far from the Dockyard then known as the Warren. After a disastrous accident when casting cannons at the Bagley's Foundry in Moorfields, London, it was decided to move this work to Woohvich during the 1600's. The Warren was chosen as the new site. From this began the Royal Arsenal armament works, which grew into a major industry in Woolwich affecting the lives of its inhabitants for many years until the 1960's when it eventually closed.
The growth of me Royal Arsenal brought the need for supporting services, which became the Tertiary stage. These included housing for the increasing number of workers.Shops to provide all the daily necessities. Transport to bring people to and from work. Amusements such as public houses, theatres and later cinema not forgetting football including the Arsenal's own team. Several well known institutions were founded " The Royal Arsenal Co-operative Society, The Woolwich Equitable Building Society, The Woolwich Polytechnic to name but a few.
With changing needs on a national level Woolwich began to lose its heavy engineering industries from the 1960's onwards with a consequent decline. This brought it into the Quaternary stage where we are now having to adapt to new technology and ways of living. (adapted from an article by Alastair Miller in WADAS newsletter)

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LETTERS MARCH 2004


From: Roy Tindle

I represent a small group of people who share several concerns about the proposed development of Mast Pond Wharf. We are trying to raise consciousness about this site - between the Dockyard Estate and the Woolwich Ferry and currently lying derelict.
That this site dates back at least to the Royal Naval Dockyard of King Henry VIII, indeed the wool exporting business on which Woolwich was founded probably used this land for many centuries prior to this. Mast Pond Wharf is, with Convoys, all that remains of a very significant part of Britain's history. The two Royal Naval Dockyards can be a said to be part of the heritage of much of the 'New World' too. Local heritage-driven tourism has an important role to play in inner city regeneration; that much of this heritage lies close to the river suggests greatly increased river passenger transit as the tourism aspect is developed. I probably do not need to observe that the most dramatic views of many major cities are obtained from the rivers that bisect them.

There is planning consent to build a hotel on the site but this permission is about to expire without any construction having taken place. I understand that there will soon be another application, this time seeking permission to build flats. Their choice has been limited by both the Thames Pathway and the intention to use the southern margin of the land to build a rapid transit roadway as part of a wider Greenwich transport plan. We should not permit this major piece of heritage to vanish under flats. I really don't think that the size of the place makes much difference in housing terms but it could play an invaluable role in civic pride.

Our most serious concern is the further loss of riparian land: this, the ferry terminal and the slipway to the east of the Waterfront Centre are the sole remaining road/river access points in Woolwich. The remainder of the south bank of this reach of the Thames has only limited river access: for example, the new Woolwich pier ends on an elevated walkway to which vehicular access is very limited. Furthermore, the increasing housing density along the Thames is going to exacerbate an already labouring transport infrastructure. The sensible, low cost and environmentally sound transport route with a huge capacity surplus is the Thames but the same housing development is seriously depleting access to the river. There is a further anomalous component in this equation and that is that housing is being primarily sited along the river frontage while new industrial premises are being situated inland, away from river access, thus increasing the burden on road and rail.

This site offers the potential for specialist historic small ship restoration that could run in parallel with the functions of a normal riverside boatyard. Further, we are aware of two historic vessels that have indicated a desire to use the site as a home mooring and repair facility. The updated PLA Economic Impact report shows 482 direct jobs and £14.8M gross value added to Greenwich but that is peanuts when compared to the value of riverside housing land. Long term that added value keeps coming in and all that new housing that's going up for miles along the river will require new transport.

The fate of the Woolwich Free Ferry is another issue but is linked to the local wharves. The south terminal is adjacent to a large car park, which could be sold for housing development thus losing the remaining vehicular access to the river. We will be proposing alternative economically viable passenger uses for the ferry vessels in due course.
Finally, the Woolwich Community Website Project, which I chair, is working with Cory Environmental to establish a digital photographic record of the Thames banks from Cory's depots in Wandsworth to Mucking. This will consist of a series of relatively high-resolution images (6 megapixel) taken in overlapping sequence.

I understand too that both the Massey Shaw and the Swiftstone are looking for permanent moorings and Mast Pond would be very convenient.


From: Glynis Turner
I write from Australia as I hope you might help me with regard to the industry in the Deptford area circa 1800- 1820s. In 1801 Elizabeth Wibrow was baptised at St. Paul's Deptford, father Thomas Wibrow, coachmaker of Copperas Lane. Do you know of any coach building in the lane? Or could I have misread it for Soapmaker? Elizabeth married in 1816 Francis John King. They came to Sydney Australia in 1827. Francis was a soap maker who initially superintended Aspinall's Soap Manufactory and later built a soap making business, which included rendering fat by boiling down livestock in a number of locations in New South Wales and Queensland. One of their sons was involved in exporting beef to California (during 1850s gold rush) and England canned and/or refrigerated in the 1870s - I am yet to determine the details. There certainly was a shipment of frozen meat to England in 1877.



From: Sylvia Snipp
On the WW2 Memorial of S.E. Met Gas workers - has anyone a list of the names on the memorial? Was there any such list of WW1 S.E. Met Gas workers? I have a Long Service Certificate of my husband's grandfather - Henry Snipp. Whilst he had worked 25 years in 1936, he stayed until his retirement and lived for many years afterwards. He was born in Greenwich in 1884. I'm not sure how the SMGC accounted for long service if someone fought in the war. Would you happen to know if the '25 years' excluded war service? If someone wanted to find out more about a relative who worked for SMGC where would you advise they look? Are there any lists of employees on the internet somewhere?




From: Caroly Howe
There is a Naval Dockyard Society site, which provides a Database & Information on Dockyard History. One was called "Deptford Shipbuilding". My husband's ancestors were Shipwrights in Deptford from 1720's through to the early 1800s. We are anxious to find out more about the Deptford Shipbuilding industry.
Do you know of the "Deptford Shipbuilding" and where I may find the site?



From: Karl Von Rensberg
I have been trying to find the foundry where the propellers for the Queen Mary were cast. My interest in this is that I have some really dated pictures of this. When my grandmother was alive she explained that her father was the foundry man who cast them. His name was John Hall.



From: John Hanman
I collect old drinking glasses etched with pub or brewery names mainly from the Kent area. I have obtained a spirit glass which is etched. Property of 'The Bunker', Greenwich. This is within fancy scroll work which leads me to think it dates from 1900-30's ish and is similar to others I have. I have searched the internet but can find no mention of 'The Bunker' Greenwich and I wonder if you have a record of it. I thought it might have something to do with the Navy buildings if not a pub. Hope you can help me shed some light on this little glass.



From: Leslie Morris
I read with interest the article about the visit to Greenwich Power Station. According to records in the RIBA the architect responsible for the design, presumably working for the LCC department, was Vincent Emanuel Harris later to become famous as designer of Public Buildings - the Round House Library at Manchester civic centre. The Board of Trade Building in Whitehall and numerous Town Halls and Civic Buildings around the country. His own house designed in 1932/4 and lived in by Mr Harris, is situated in the road I live in, Fitzroy Park, Highgate, N6. We successfully persuaded English Heritage to recommend it for listing (Grade 11) when it seemed in danger of redevelopment. Mr Harris received the RIBA Gold Medal in the 1950's.



From: Pat O'Driscoll
Re: The Woolwich Navy, as mentioned on the back page of the January GIHS Newsletter. A book, 'The Unknown Fleet' by Reg Cooley was issued by Alan Sutton Publishing Ltd, in I993. One of the appendices describes the uniform laid down for officers. It was a proper uniform despite Mr. Bowen's comments.

When I worked afloat (1959-70) H.R. Mitchell's of Woolwich Arsenal still operated several motor craft carrying ammunition and Government stores. I remember Katherine Mitchell (the largest) and the Vawdrey and Geoffrey Stanley. They also had a tug, the Legde. Mitchell's replaced A.R.Sales at the Arsenal. By then nobody wore uniform.
Before the war they had two wooden dumb towed craft, Gog and Magog fitted with lowering ramps. These took'big guns' to and from Shoeburyness. The guns were secured on railway tracks in the craft's hold and when the ramp was lowered the guns could be pulled forward by a steam hauler, to connect with a light railway ashore.

Magog (the second of this name) was built in 1900. She measured 90 ft x 30 ft x 7 ft. To my personal knowledge she still existed, in 1966, when she was being used as a sort of small dry dock at Piper's yard. I would have photographed her had it been possible, but small craft were generally moored alongside so that one could not get a clear view of her. We were then on Piper's with Olive May, having a number of job's done.

Another old-stager in the War Dept. Fleet was the Marquess of Partington. I knew someone who served in her during the war. A contemporary photo shows her name plainly displayed on her bow - perhaps a wartime identification measure.



From: Patsy Beech
I was wondering if you could help me with the history of Deptford Gas Works? My Great, Great Grandfather, Walter Farmer not only worked at Deptford Gas Works in 1881, but also lived there with his wife and family. On the 1881 census his address was Cottage at Gas Works, Creek Street, Deptford, and his occupation is given as Gate Keeper, in 1890 on my Great Grandmother's wedding certificate it is recorded as Gas Works Manager.
Walter Farmer died in 1895, but his son George Farmer took over the job, and was still living there with his mother (Mary A. Farmer) at the time of the 1901 census. My Dad can remember being taken there as a young boy in the late 1920's. His memories include playing in the large garden, picking tomatoes in the big greenhouse, being fascinated by George adjusting the weights to alter the levels of the gas, the stream at the end of the garden (Deptford Creek!), and of a large hole where a gas holder had once stood, and which filled with water so was great for throwing stones into. My Dad will be 83 in a few days time, but his memories are quite clear if rather scant.

Deptford Gas Works is the site of what is now the Creekside Centre - they are very interested in the history of their site and the surrounding area. 


From: Bill Ellison

Would George Orwell have been referring to the Gas Works on the site of the Creekside Centre, Phoenix Site, now Greenwich Reach East when he said:

Even in the most sordid street the coming of spring will register itself by some sign or other, if it is only a brighter blue between the chimney pots or the vivid green of an elder sprouting on a blitzed site. Indeed it is remarkable how Nature goes on existing unofficially, as it were, in the very heart of London. I have seen a kestrel flying over the Deptford gasworks, and I have heard a first-rate performance by a blackbird in the Euston Road. There must be some hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of birds living inside the four-mile radius, and it is rather a pleasing thought that none of them pays a halfpenny of rent.
George Orwell: 1946 Some Thoughts on the Common Toad


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GREENWICH HERITAGE CENTRE OPENS

Tony Robinson (Baldrick) of the 'Time Team', officially opened Greenwich Council's Heritage Centre in early February. Collections from the local history library in Mycenae Road, Blackheath and the Borough Museum in Plumstead, are now under one roof.
The new Centre is housed in Building 41, part of the New Laboratory Square, on the Royal Arsenal - a building developed between about 1805 and 1878 as storehouses and which, by 1853, was used for making gun cartridges and later became a carpenters and painters workshop.

#The opening event was a great occasion - despite the late arrival of guests due to problems in the road outside. It was a time for old friends to meet - and for new ones to be made.
One sad event connected to the opening is the retirement of Julian Watson - Local History Librarian for more years than we care to think about, and a great support to so many local researchers. So - thanks Julian - good luck in retirement - and - are you going to join GIHS?


VANDALISM IN THE ROYAL ARSENAL

Woolwich Antiquarians report from Jack Vaughan that the clock on the Carriage Department, Building 10, Royal Arsenal has been damaged. It seems that vandals scaled the outside of the building and swung on the clock hands until they were broken off. Jack is discussing the clock with the Curator of Clocks at the National Maritime Museum.



M.B.E. FOR THE CAPTAIN OF THE WOOLWICH FERRY

The 2004 New Years Honours List included an award to Captain Peter Deeks of the Woolwich Free Ferry as a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, (M.B.E.). Captain Deeks has been responsible for the Ferry for many years, starting his career as a Thames Waterman before joining the Ferry about forty years ago as a deck hand.



MUMFORD'S MILL - WHAT THE TIMES HAD TO SAY

A sharp-eyed member spotted a write-up in the Times for 28th November 2003 on the conversion of Mumford's Mill. This is part of what the writer, Mike Mulvihill, had to say:
"You wouldn't think that I could live less than 200 yards from a large 19th-century flour mill designed by Sir Aston Webb, the architect behind the eastern facade of Buckingham Palace. But until just a couple of weeks ago, when I walked past a 50ft blue sign announcing that the building was being turned into luxury flats, I didn't even know it was there. Mumford's Mill, as I learnt from the sales brochure, was at the heart of the Greenwich community for 100 years after it opened in 1848. But it fell into decline after the Second World War and closed in the 1960s, when it was replaced by a succession of light industrial enterprises. Its days were numbered until a development company stepped in last year with some ambitious plans for the future. It looks as though SE10 is about to get its first proper loft apartments.

As I read on, my mind turned to my very own life as a Trendy Loft-Living London Professional: my girlfriend, Jo, preparing sushi in our open-plan kitchen as I sit in the window playing the saxophone; the boys coming round on a Sunday afternoon to watch football on my plasma screen; Chablis on the balcony on a warm summer's evening; stainless-steel kitchens and Philippe Starck bathrooms; surround sound, fresh coffee, olive oil, perfect hair and a smile on your face - the glossy magazine image of modern life. And here it was on my doorstep. I had to find out more.

There have already been considerable improvements lately, thanks largely to a group of people who you would be advised to follow if you want to know which area is going to be the Next Big Thing: artists. Goldsmiths College has always been a focal point for music and the arts in the area, which has recently witnessed the arrival of the state-of-the-art Laban dance centre, while painters, sculptors and potters are crawling all over the former industrial spaces of Deptford Creek, etc. etc. etc..



BOOKS & PUBLICATIONS
PUBLICATIONS RECEIVED
We receive a great many newsletters and booklets - thank you, and keep them coming - however, what is listed here are only those which have something of Greenwich interest in the current edition. Reviews of any publications of Greenwich interest are always welcome. There is, however, no publications news this issue.

'Dockland Apprentice' by David Carpenter.
This book describes the apprenticeship of a Plumstead boy working at the London Graving Dock in Poplar. It is very highly recommended as a story of work in the docks, when the docks were the docks, and the river was the river. Young Dave - replete with quiff and DA - learns his trade as a marine engineer with a variety of characters and then goes out to service the ships of the world. The first chapter sees him on the Woolwich Ferry and in the last he is steaming off down the estuary to new and foreign engineering jobs. Inevitably most of the accounts of south London are in regard to his daily river crossings through the two-way working old Blackwall tunnel on his Norton - 'flat out in 2nd gear down into the tunnel, taking the first bend at 60 mph, then into 3rd gear at 70 mph, down the straight reaching 90mph ... slow down for the bend, then flat out and out of the tunnel at 95 mph.'.
Bears Hide, 2 Bramber Avenue, Peacehaven, BN10 8LR. £15.99

ENGLISH HERITAGE QUARTERLY REVIEW
July/October 2003 gives news of archaeological work.
There is information about the Study Group on Stowage, which has found 18th Century and 19th Century walls. Another article describes investigations in the Arsenal - in part this says "Oxford Archaeology carried out a field evaluation of the north-east zone on behalf of Berkeley Homes. A series of small scale, successive timber stake and wattle structures ran on an E-W alignment 55m inland from the current line of the Thames River Wall. These alignments were dated to the medieval period, the earliest AD 1020- 1280. They are considered to represent elements of former fence lines, possibly fish traps, and the possible foundations of an earthen River Wall. Two ditches, both running E-W are considered to be contemporary elements of the network of drainage ditches which enabled the reclamation of this area of the Plumstead Marshes behind the river wall to provide agricultural land. This system is apparent on maps dating to 1670, 1701, 1717, 1725 and 1749 and may have origins from the 'inning' of the marshes in the medieval period.
In 1779 this area of land was incorporated into the Arsenal having previously been outside its eastern limits. The well-preserved brick built remains of the Proof House, later to become the Proof Offices (built pre-1780) were recorded. Details of the internal division of this structure add to the basic outline detail gained from historic maps. Further brick structures comprised brick walls and surfaces, and related to an E-W orientated range labelled on historic maps as the Proofing Workshops (built 1780-1802). These was no evidence for the contemporary and parallel Convict Sheds to the north however, these may have been totally removed to make way for the north range of the Grand Stores East Quad which was constructed in the same position as the earlier Convict Sheds.
A substantial cut is interpreted as groundworks for a new River Wall commenced in 1802. These works allowed for land reclamation and a new river frontage in advance of the construction of the Grand Stores 1806-15. In the second decade of the 19th Century, the area was completely remodelled with the construction of the East Quadrangle of the Stores Department. Documentary sources reveal that this range suffered subsidence and was demolished in 1831.

WOODLANDS FARM - a brief history.
This five-page booklet costs 20p and is available from the Farm Trust (020 8319 8900).

NEWS FROM CROSSNESS
The current Crossness Engines Record includes this item:
"Off to Sea"
In July, 1908, a neatly penned note observed that the Main Drainage Committee's Chief Engineer approved an allowance of 1/- per head for refreshments for children from the Outfalls at Barking and Crossness during their excursion. This exciting day out was a journey on one of the new sludge vessels as no doubt it took its cargo out to the Barrow Deep, five miles off Clacton, Essex. A rudimentary calculation of the number of children at the southern outfall, reveals that about fifty children would have been of an age to make such a trip. Assuming a similar number would be available from the northern outfall, the prospect of the Captain and crew being responsible for about one hundred little souls either running around or throwing-up, beggars belief. The one hundred plus miles round trip can be very pleasant, but the excitement of the day, sandwiches and pop and maybe an on-shore breeze against an ebbing tide making for unwanted motion, could no doubt turn some of the youngsters a shade of eau de nil. Whatever the weather conditions or minor discomforts, I am sure that many children would carry memories of that 'day out' for many years to come. The thought occurred to me - who was the first person to promote the idea of a sea- going trip for children of the workforce of the two outfalls and when did the practice cease?

LONDON AND MIDDLESEX ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY TRANSACTIONS (Vol. 53 2002).
This volume contains an extremely important article on Creevey's Yard, Highbridge by Nicholas Cooke and Christopher Philpotts. This gives an enormous amount of details illuminating our knowledge of the historic riverside. The following brief extract may be of particular interest:
OBJECTS OF COPPER ALLOY - PINS
Amongst the copper alloy objects are a group of pins. Pinners' bones from the site indicate the presence of a small-scale industry manufacturing these objects. 46 pins came from gully [with further examples from the large dumps of domestic refuse pit. Small pins, used mainly as clothes-fasteners, were made from the medieval period onwards. Two forms are present, which may reflect the distinction between pins made on site, and subsequent incidental losses. The pins from the gully have simple wire-wrapped heads and are relatively consistent in length (30-32mm). This group includes a significant number of what appear to be unsharpened 'blanks', and also two additional items: a short length of wire (46mm) and a probable needle. As far as can be ascertained, all the other pins from the site have heads formed by wire wrapped around the shaft and then shaped to a globular form. Lengths vary from 24mm to 32mm, and there are no apparent 'blanks'."


BOSTALL ESTATES CHALK MINE WINTER BAT SURVEY REPORT

On 1st February 2004 the Kent Underground Research Group (KURG) entered the Bostall Estates chalk mine to survey the condition of the mine. At the same time four surveyors from the London Bat Group (LBG) surveyed the mine for hibernating bats. The Chalk Mine is located in Abbey Wood. The entrance shaft is approximately 18 metres deep and is located in the grounds of a former Hospice on Federation Road, approximate grid reference TQ 478 735. Construction of the mine began in 1900 in order to supply raw materials for the construction of the Bostall Estate by the Royal Arsenal Co-operative Society. During the next 6 years some 610 metres of tunnels were dug some up to 6 metres high. Mining ceased in 1906. In 1914 a sloping entrance close to Federation Hall allowed access to the mine for use as a bomb shelter. This tunnel was finally filled in the early 1960's. This is the first recorded bat survey of the mine.

Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 all British bats and their roosts are protected on Schedule 5. This act is subject to amendments under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000. The Conservation (Natural Habitats, &c.) Regulations 1994 implements the Council Directive on the Conservation of Natural Habitats and of Wild Fauna and Flora. All bats are listed as 'European protected species of animals' and it is an offence to intentionally kill, injure or take a bat. It is also illegal to intentionally or recklessly damage, destroy or obstruct access to any place that a bat uses for shelter or protection (regardless of whether bats are actually present at the time); or to intentionally or recklessly disturb a bat.

The relatively high temperatures recorded during this survey meant that at the time of this visit it is unlikely that bats were using the site for hibernation purposes. However it remains a strong possibility that bats may still be using the mine at other times. It is known that the surrounding Abbey and Bostall Woods experience high levels of bat activity with a number of different species having been recorded in the locality. In a visit to the site in September there was unobstructed bat access via a hole in the concrete cap over the main shaft. At the time of this survey this hole had been covered with a sheet of plyboard although bat access would have still been possible. With the exception of the high temperatures, conditions within the mine were largely suitable for roosting bats. The rough-cut walls and ceiling provided enough nooks and cracks for bats to find roosting spots. At the time of the visit much of the mine floor was under up to ~60cms of water. 
This would increase humidity levels, which would be to the benefit of roosting bats.The London Bat Group strongly recommends that bat access into the mine is retained and enhanced through bat-friendly grilling. The mine entrance could also be securely fenced to reduce disturbance and improve public safety. Further advice should be taken from the London Bat Group and suitably qualified experts.

Refs: Le Gear R.F, 1987; The R.A.C.S. Chalk Mine and the Building of the Bostall Estate. Kent Underground Research




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CROSSNESS ENGINES STEAMING EVENT

On the 4th April this year an event was held to celebrate the 139th anniversary of the opening of the Southern Outfall Works at Crossness. This was a most successful occasion representing the high point of the work of the Trust over the past 18 years. It was shared by 261 members and guests including Simon Jenkins one of the Vice- Presidents. The afternoon was punctuated by three periods of steaming of Prince Consort each of which was preceded by a selection of live bag-pipe music performed from the gallery of Victoria. Following the second steaming, Peter Bazalgette, the Trust’s Chair, addressing the multitude, spoke eloquently about the history and future of the Trust and its work at Crossness. This was followed by a very generous buffet tea at 3.30pm. Some hearties also walked the newly revised Crossness Trail, which follows a route around the site.

Peter Trigg writes: Following the visit of H.R.H. Prince Charles last year for the first official running of the engine, Prince Consort, a further running took place on 4th April for the benefit of some 300 supporters. This event celebrated the 159th anniversary of the inaugural steaming on 4th April 1865. The engine had been beautifully restored together with the cast iron framework. It ran very quietly considering its size, it was fascinating to watch the operation of the valve gear. After the running was finished the Chairman of the Crossness Engines Trust, Peter Bazalagette, Great, Great Grandson of Joseph Bazalgette, the Engineer of the Project, gave a speech thanking members for their efforts in restoring the engine over a period of 19 years. He expressed the hope that the other three engines might also be restored. A large exhibition of photographs, paintings and drawings was on display. Of especial interest was a section covering the sludge boats, which were only taken out of service some two years ago when the incinerator was brought into use.

PRESS CAMPAIGN ON DEPTFORD WATERFRONT

In late March, the Mercury ran a story about a CAMPAIGN launched to save Deptford's ‘Seven Wonders of the Waterfront’. This is spearheaded by William Richards and Chris Mazeika from the Shipwright's Palace. The campaign ‘aims to ensure the area's ancient buildings are saved from developers’ in response to the huge influx of development in Deptford and a fear old buildings will be knocked down to make way for new schemes.
Will Richards is quoted as saying: "Five years ago saw the loss of the buildings on the power station site and 1984 saw the destruction of the 1720s' naval storehouse and the removal of the clock to Thamesmead. We must hold on to what is left to save it from the tyranny of the bland which has taken over the north side of the river."
The Seven ‘Wonders’ are:

** Borthwick Wharf – designed by Royal Institute of British Architects Gold Medallist, Sir Edwin Cooper in 1934 it is the late tribute to Deptford’s 500 year old meat industry.

** Payne’s Wharf – listed in 2002 this mid-19th century riverside building has huge Italianate arches and was built for a boiler manufacturer.

** Upper Watergate Stairs. An early river access point – believed to be where Sir Walter Raleigh laid down his cloak for Queen Elizabeth

** Master Shipwright’s House. A listed 18th century building. Now restored to be used as a house, private gallery and performance space.

** The Great Double Dry Dock. This 16th century building is the first granite lined structure in the world. It is currently filled with rubble.

** The Basin – dating back to the 13th century this is mentioned in King Henry VIII indenture of 1513 as containing his second most powerful ship, the Mary Rose.

** Victualling Yard Buildings – these listed 18th buildings are currently used as houses and offices in the Pepys Estate.

Editor's note: – Why haven’t you included the ‘Penn’ bollard Upper Watergate – now the only relic of Penn’s engine builders, and, also, why not the massive covered slip from the 
1840s, now called ‘Olympia’!




THE BLACKHEATH HOLE

At their February meeting Blackheath Scientific Society heard a talk by Trevor Williams, Chief Engineer for Transport for London of the S.E. Sector of Roads. The following is a summary, taken from the Society’s minutes, of some of the events surrounding the hole which appeared in Blackheath Hill in 2002.

On Sunday 7th April 2002, Mr. Williams was told that he had a hole in one of his roads. This is not particularly uncommon; but by the following morning, the road had already been closed with an impressive amount of fencing and cones; and four adjacent buildings had been evacuated - one remains unoccupied to this day. The hole, by the junction of Blackheath Hill and Maidenstone Hill, was large and growing. Just before it had appeared a bus had gone by and later a car driver said he had just managed to drive on as the road surface collapsed. Two large water mains had both ruptured, and flowing underground had formed a quicksand. No one will ever know whether a water leak started the hole or if ground settlement broke the water mains - the evidence was washed away. The hole eventually stabilised at about 9m long, 4m wide and 4m deep.

The history of the area is of caverns left by chalk mining over hundreds of years, though not under the road itself; although there was a tunnels under Blackheath Hill, built lower down for an early railway. Another tunnel was said to run from the Victorian church of Holy Trinity to the Horse & Groom pub but was found not to exist. That pub itself had a history of movement and was already empty, another building was moving less seriously and was still occupied. Blackheath Hill divides Lewisham on the south from Greenwich each responsible for the buildings on their side.

Physical investigation by TfL was confined to the area of the road - initially by levelling the road surface at spots around the hole marked by blue crosses. Then Microgravity measuring equipment was brought in to assess whether the ground beneath the whole length of the hill was dense or loose. Microgravity plots were then produced and they generally showed looser conditions on either side of the road, and this was confirmed by the boreholes. Chalk pits, not tunnelled caverns, were found and they had gone 20m below the land surface, except for a spine under the road itself. Even then the odd bite had been taken out and, at a low level, a tunnel had been made to connect the two sides of the workings. The chalk pits had been back filled by the mid 19th Century. This connecting tunnel was found to be satisfactory, as was the later railway tunnel.

The modern road is wider than the original, and now overlaps the chalk spine - it was the old, unconsolidated fill that had collapsed under the hole, down the north side of the spine.
The treatment was first to fill the hole with gravel. Then, to prevent a recurrence, the old fill by the sides of the spine was consolidated. A curtain of grout was created on both sides of the road. Boreholes were drilled through the fill to solid ground, then as the drill was removed high pressure grout was forced in to fill the borehole and any voids, and to compact the surrounding old fill. The grout is cement based, specially formulated to match ground conditions and avoid affecting the chalk aquifer underneath (which is used in London's water supply), or the foundations of adjacent buildings - it has to be water permeable, neutral, and stiff.

Drilling rigs are not plentiful, and Britain was scoured to get seven - six in use with one standby - another was brought on a barge from Italy.

While repairing the water pipes the opportunity was taken to line them from top to bottom of the hill with plastic tubing; which was welded into suitable lengths along the closed off road on the Heath. The retaining wall for Hollymount Close was in a poor state - it was agreed that a new sheet piled retaining wall be built further back, permitting a wider pavement. A special Japanese machine was brought in from Germany for some of this work. The Horse & Groom pub was demolished. After two years the work should be finished.


MORE MEMORIES OF AN ARSENAL APPRENTICESHIP
by John Day

The first article which this Newsletter ever received dealt with John Day’s memories of his apprenticeship at the Royal Arsenal. We have run this as an intermittent series ever since. Here, now, is the last episode – and with apologies to John for the length of time it has taken to get this far. Don’t let it put you off sending more stuff in!

We had our moments at the Woolwich Polytechnic where Dr. Mallet was the Principal. At the end of our second year most of us went for interviews at one or other of the London Colleges to study for degrees. Only three were successful, Hibbert, Maybe and Walker. The first two went to Kings College and Walker to City and Guilds. It was said that Mallet only agreed to the departure of those who were not likely to gain a degree, or whose parents could afford the fees for a College education. This seemed to have been borne out since nearly all who stayed at the Poly were successful.

We were joined by several non-Woolwich apprentices for the three years, among whom were Grey (a Belgian), whose engineering drawings were works of art, Eric Smith, who after a spell at British Celanese took over a wire drawing machine firm in Rochester, and TonyWeston. Tony was the butt of two practical jokes, one when we chained the rear axle of his Swift car to a bundle of girders destined for an extension to the Engineering Dept. The other on 5th November, when we rigged up a rocket pointing through a louvre in the top of the bonnet with a piece of fuse wire across the starter terminals. We began an argument about starting times and solemnly went out to the car park armed with stopwatches. It worked beautifully.I bought myself a green tweed suit and sitting one day at the controls of the tension test machine I was presented with a child's Green Line conductor’soutfit. After he had sold his Swift, Tony Weston bought an Austin Seven, which he found one day had been taken through double doors and down a flight of steps and parked in a corridor.

The staff at the Poly included Dr. Walter Scoble, chairman of the Committee on Wire Ropes, who tried to teach us metallurgy in the first hour after lunch on a Friday. "Sweater" Ashworth, a very kindly Lancastrian who instilled the basics of thermodynamics without actually telling us anything. His system was to put a problem on the board and leave us to it. After a reasonable time, he would look at our vacant faces and write his magic formula on the board - Heat lost = Heat gained - then he would ask what was lost and what was gained and the problem was solved! Sweater drove an open Humber tourer and he would pick up any tramp, lash his pram with its contents to the luggage grid and take the tramp to his next nights stop.

The lecturer that took us for structural design had designed the tall radio masts at Rugby. He was also friendly with the builders of Waterloo Bridge and we had a visit one afternoon when the centre span consisted of a couple of planks. Did you realise that the actual piers are only three feet thick and they allow the deck to move an inch or so with the movement of the traffic? We were lectured on mathematics by Lowry, a brilliant man who was so wrapped up his subject that he was oblivious of anything that happened in the room. He had a habit of apparently snatching a number out of nowhere, when queried what it was he would say, in a slightly hurt voice as if everyone knew, that's the cube root of XXXX! He also had a habit leaving out lines of a calculation.

As you will have gathered I left the Arsenal in 1939 to go to the Patent Office, I was there only a few weeks before I was seconded to the R.A.E. Farnborough. For the war years, my love of internal combustion engines was met by my being deeply involved with Rolls-Royce engines and turbines, a subject that had nothing to do with Woolwich. However, I did return to Woolwich during the war, when my office was in London, and did a spell as a leading fireman at Red Lion Lane. I also lived on Shooter's Hill until 1963. But they are stories for another day.....



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The Autumn 2003 Quarterly Review...
from English Heritage’s London Region lists some archaeological work in Greenwich Borough area. Inevitably these are ‘dirt’ archaeology which takes scant interest in industrial remains. However, some highlights are:
Anchor Iron Wharf, Lassell Street, Greenwich (dig by the Museum of London Archaeology Service).

They found 17th and 18th century deposits and structural remains of the 16th to 20th centuries. The earliest remains are likely to be associated with the 'Hobby Stables' of 1532-1533.

Safeway Store Extension, Thamesmead (dig by MOLAS).
They found fragmentary remains of a wide stone wall across the site made of hard ragstone rough hewn blocks on the north side, and facing the Thames. A second wall built of rough-hewn chalk blocks might be associated with Tripcott House. It is thought that proximity to a vertically faced river wall would allow small craft to offload here.

White Hart Triangle, Thamesmead (dig by MOLAS)

The Royal Arsenal, Woolwich (dig by Oxford Archaeology)
As well as remains from the Military/Industrial period, they uncovered evidence of Roman and late Medieval activity. They found part of an extensive late Roman cemetery containing c.140 graves. There was also structural and landscape evidence of Tower Place, a mansion house with extensive grounds on the eastern limits of the Arsenal site. Adjacent to the site of Tower Place, was a tile-built double-flued pottery kiln with associated waste dumps, and clay storage pits. Work on the Thames foreshore showed preserved timber posts and plank revetments. Other timbers at the western end of the site could be from a wharf and the cranes that operated there. The main excavations centered on the historic core of the site where the Royal Laboratories, built in 1696-7 for ammunition and 'fireworks' production, and the Great Pile or Dial Arch Complex, a cannon boring workshop and storehouses of 1717-20 attributed to Nicholas Hawksmoor, are located. Both areas revealed evidence of their original layout amid a vast array of structural evidence which had been added over their c.300 year operational existence. Structural remains included foundations, walls and floors, machine bases, coal cellars, iron and bronze furnaces, a casting house, engine house, boiler houses and complex flue systems. Other investigations at the site found a large amount of below ground structural evidence from demolished buildings, spanning the entire period of the site's military role, including details of a range of officer's quarters known as the New Barracks (1739), lost ranges of the Grand Store (1806-13), early 19th century magazines, the Rifled Shot and Shell Foundry (1855-6) and the 'Old Forge' (1856-8) used in the production of Armstrong-type guns and the Central Power Station (1895). In addition, historic road surfaces often with inset rail-track, and their underlying service runs were recorded. In addition, building recording was done on New Laboratory Square (1783?-c1890) and the pair of Riverside Guard Houses (1814-15). Finds ranged from Roman pottery, glass and jewellery, to the late medieval-early post medieval kiln furniture and clay pipes, to post medieval and modern small arms ammunition such as musket shot and bullets to cannons and cannon balls.

A second piece of work on a different site uncovered a series of small scale, timber stake and wattle structures inland from the current line of the Thames River Wall and dating from the medieval period. They are thought to be part of former fence lines, possibly fish traps, plus the foundations of an earthen River Wall. Two ditches, running E-W were thought to be part of the network of drainage ditches to allow Plumstead Marshes to provide agricultural land. This drainage system is apparent on maps dating to 1670, 1701, 1717, 1725 and 1749 and may have their origins from the 'inning' of the marshes in the medieval period. In 1779, this area was incorporated into the Arsenal. The well-preserved brick built remains of the Proof House, late to become the Proof Offices (built pre-1780) survived. There were other brick buildings, which related to the Proofing Workshops (built 1780-1802) sited south of the still extant E-W drained channel. There was no evidence for the contemporary Convict Sheds built to the north of this channel, although these may have been totally removed to make way for the north range of the Grand Stores east Quad constructed in the same position. A substantial cut in the northern-most part of the trench may be associated with the new River Wall begun in 1802. This allowed for a new river frontage before the construction of the Grand Stores 1806-15. In the second decade of the 19th century, the area was completely remodeled with the construction of the East Quadrangle of the Stores Department. The drainage channel was infilled, and brick culverts were constructed to drain the area. These culverts were then buried under a massive land raising exercise prior to the timber piling alignments upon which are constructed the substantial brick foundations of the Grand Stores. At the East Quad the remains of this piling pattern were recovered and correspond to the SE corner of the northern range of this quad. Documentary sources reveal that this range suffered dramatic subsidence and was demolished in 1831. Most of the remains from the late 19th and 20th centuries were removed during remediation work as part of the recent infrastructure works.


In the Woolwich Antiquarians current newsletter, Tony Robin writes:
Does anybody have memories of Thomas and Edge the builders who had their office at Station Chambers, Cross Street, and their works at Royal Dockyard Wharf? The firm was established in 1895 by the formation of a partnership between Edwin Thomas and John Edge. Many of the buildings in Powis Street and Hare Street which date from the turn of the last century, were built by them. They carried out many contracts for the Government in World War I, including extensions to the Royal Herbert Hospital on Shooters Hill. When peace was restored they built numerous local housing estates and sewer and drainage projects.

Editor’s Note – no memories Tony, but I’ve got a copy of their company history!


THE GLIAS JOURNAL is now available:

Nothing about Greenwich in it this time but lots of other fascinating material (Victorian Street paving, Barratt & Co. sweet manufacturer, and the Camden Hydraulic Accumulator). More details to come!





The Admiralty Compass Laboratory

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The Admiralty Compass Laboratory - Greenwich's smallest scientific institution

by Mary Mills


Hawkins Terrace in Charlton is a bit of a mystery to me.  It is a narrow lane right on the Charlton/ Woolwich border and runs north from Little Heath, from near the corner with the old Woodman Pub, now a grocer. It is parallel to Erwood Road, which was Maryon Road, and runs along the backs of the houses. It ends in a patch of grass and rubble nearly the back of St.Thomas’Church in Woodand Terrace.  On a map from the 1860s what looks like a garden and a tiny square building appear on that patch of grass.  On some maps it is marked as ‘Observatory’ and it turns out that this was a government building - the Admiralty Compass Observatory.  

The Observatory dated from the early 1840s but before that there had been a long process to meet the concerns about compasses in Naval ships following a series of accidents and the same concerns with compasses used by the merchant marine.  Some of the problems were caused by the increasing use of iron in ships. Following the setting up of a committee, various experimental projects and learned papers a process was set up whereby naval compasses could be set correctly for each ship.  In addition to the Observatory itself there was a row of giant letters on a wall on Cox’s Mount - this site is now within Maryon Park but in the 19thcentury it was a sand pit. Some distance away in Greenhithe was where the ships concerned were ‘swung’ in the river.

In the 1840s Maryon Road and the area around the Obsevatory was being developed with substantial housing aimed at officers and technocrats from the various local institutions and industries. St. Thomas’s Church was built around same time.  At first a site for the Observatory had been considered in the gravel pits near Maze Hill but it was thought this would ‘spoil the beauty of the scenery’ there.  Maryon Road was conveniently near Woolwich Dockyard and a site was leased from the Maryon Wilson estates. 

In charge of the project was Captain Edward Johnson and he took on a retired Scottish  Artillery Sergeant, James Nathaniel Brunton, who was to live in a house on site and be paid 2/6d. a day.  Brunton was to be one of the longest serving members of staff of the Observtory. It was said at the time he had the ‘rank and education of a Sergeant of Artillery’ nevertheless, by default,  he undertook work normally reserved for highly educated professionals and did so with great success. 

Visitors to the Observatory arrived at a ‘modest house’  behind which was an octagonal wooden structure said to be ‘rather like a summer house'. It was surrounded by a garden ‘kept in perfect order by Mr. Brunton’ with fine oak trees and roses – said to be fifty different varieties.   Inside the observatory and the surrounding area everything had to be free of iron – no iron nails, or buttons, or keys, or anything.  There were two shutters in the roof and three masonry pedestals to hold instruments. Two of them determined true north and the other was to hold the compasses to be tested.  

As part of the process a telescope was pointed at the number scale on Cox’s Mount.
Captain Johnson died in 1853 and James Brunton was left to run the Observatory alone For the next two years he continued with all the work of testing as well as negotiating with compass manufacturers, solving problems with new equipment, ordering  repairs and checking the returns from the ships at swung at Greenhithe – and even conducting 30 swings himself.  Although he was authorised to sign certificates from ships’ masters, and advise on which compasses should be used and much else, he was never the given the rank of Acting Superintendent.  He lived in the house in Maryon Road with his wife Elizabeth who died in 1865, although she was thirteen years younger than him. There is no evidence of any children.

In 1869 as Woolwich Dockyard closed, the department, by then under a new superintendent, was moved to the Deptford Dockyard site.  The Observatory building itself was moved to its new site and set up exactly as it had been in Charlton. Mr. Brunton continued in his role at Deptford but he was allowed to stay in the Maryon Road house for another year after which he was given a lodging allowance. In 1871 he was living in The Terrace at Deptford Dockyard, 17th century handsome houses built for officers and demolished in 1902. He was then living with another, younger and different Elizabeth, described as a ‘servant’.  He was however by then ‘Assistant Superintendent of Compasses’.

In 1883 an inquiry into the running of department noted that James Brunton was over 80 and recommended that he should be replaced.  He had been in post for 40 years and had never let standards drop. It is said that he resented this enforced retirement and said that giving it a younger man was not a good idea. However he was given a pension of £73.00 a year with £30.00 extra for his army service.  There was an attempt to get him an increase in this pension but this was not allowed.  

He died in 1887 living in Barry road, in Camberwell, leaving £1,461 18s 6d. His sole executor was his ex boss at the Observatory, William Mayes.  He is said to have been buried in Greenwich but it is not clear where. He was a Chelsea Pensioner, which is of course for retired army personnel. However as he had worked for so long for a Naval institution maybe he was allowed into the Royal Hospital Cemetery.  Maybe therefore is just down the road in what is now East Greenwich Pleasaunce, but I cannot verify that.  

The site in Maryon Road reverted to the Maryon Wilson estates and was then let out as ‘Observatory Cottage’. In 1888 it was replaced by the present building at 80 Maryon Road which was built as the Rectory for St. Thomas’s church.  It is now a hotel - although I do remember at some point in the 1970s going to a party there when it was a private ownership.

The letters set up on Cox’s Mount had a rather longer existence. There are several reports of the wall on which they were painted and a number of reasons given for their existence – some of which seem confuse it with an earlier signal station on the site. With later writers saying it was , ‘for telegraphic purposes’ from which signals were sent to Purfleet and a date assigned to it of 1794 . Elsewhere it was claimed that it was lined up with Shooters Hill for this reason. In fact the Admiralty had rented the site from the Maryon Wilson Estate in 1845 and it is described as a wall 'five yards high and nine yards long in line with the magnetic meridian' and was to be used for correcting compasses.  It is said to have been blown down in a storm in 1850 and have been reduced to ruins, and then rebuilt.

As a small footnote – in a nearby house in Maryon Road in 1853 the archaeologist, William Matthew Flinders Petrie, was born.  Note his middle names which were those of his grandfather.  Matthew Finders, had written an extremely influential report on compasses which recommended the setting up of such an institution as the Observatory. However it took thirty years after his death, in 1814, for it to be set up and his daughter, Ann, the archaeologist’s mother, probably never knew him.  Was it a co-incidence that the family lived so close by.

This must have been one of the smallest scientific establishments and Greenwich and the area had many others. In 1971 the Compass Observatory was part of the Admiralty Research Establishment in Slough but I do not know what has happened to it now. It was only in Charlton for a relatively short time of its long existence – but I think we should remember the long serving Mr. Brunton, who was only ever a Sergeant in the Artillery and a Chelsea Pensioner. He kept it going while the scientists and naval officers were elsewhere but was only ever a ‘retired Sergeant of Artillery’.

The book which describe the whole history of the Compass Observatory is ‘Steady as she Goes’ by 
A.E.Fanning. there are also a couple of contemporary accounts of visits to the observatory one of which is Charles Dickens and appeared in Households Words.   And no doubt there are people at the Maritime Museum and the Royal Observatory who will correct me, as the compasses were correcting in Charlton


Letters May 2004

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Letters May 2004


From: Norma Chantler
How very, very pleased I was to locate my husband's great grandfather on the 1871 Census living with fellow members of the Army Service Corps in Woolwich, Woolwich Arsenal, District 9. Henry Joseph Horton served in the Crimean War, in the Army Works Corps as a Labourer for 13 months. We have a copy of the original discharge certificate dated 6th August 1856. Is there any way I could obtain a copy of a history of the Woolwich Arsenal? I would be eternally grateful if you could provide me with more information.



From: Dave
I have a round aneroid barometer which bears the inscription Henry Ward which through research I believe it to have come from such a Thames Sludge vessel. The maker of the item was Lilley & Reynolds Ltd based in Wellclose Square, London, but I have drawn a blank on the name. Could you help me or point me in the right direction so as I can find out who Henry Ward was?


From Barbara Ludlow
I read the front page of the last newsletter about the opening of the Greenwich Heritage Centre – plenty about the Arsenal but nothing about the new Search Room – and only something about Julian Watson’s contribution and retirement at the bottom of the back page. What a pity this wasn’t on the front page! I remember the walk that Julian and I did that Sunday morning in October 1975 with Director of Leisure, Chris Field, and Cllrs. Jim Gillman, Derek Penfold, etc.. It was to prove to them just how important it was to protect the riverside walk.

Sorry Barbara – I thought that it would be better to pay tribute to Julian’s work separately from the note about the Heritage Centre and that it would be more prominent on the back 
page. Editor.


From: Jean Williams
I just came across your Web site and was very interested to read one of the letters regarding J. Stone & Co. (extract: "That makes reference to J. Stones and Co., Deptford as the producers of the propellers for the QM"). My father worked for this Company from the age of 14 until he retired at 65. 1930-1981. He told me he made the propellers for the QM! Do you know if any records have survived, as I would love to find out more?


From: Dennis Grubb
Is there any resource I can use to find Brickyards and Brickmakers in the Deptford and Greenwich areas about 1700 to 1825?



From: Virginia Stola
I read with interest the article on the Charlton Fire and in particular, the mention of Mrs. Eliza Ayles. I believe she is my great-great grandmother. On the 1871 census, Eliza's occupation is listed as a rope manufacturer. I have several questions concerning the rope company:
What was the name of the company in the 1800's and was it rebuilt after the fire?
Does the company exist today and, if so, under what name?
I am grateful for any information or the name of someone who knows the history of this rope-making company.


From: The Crosses
I've been reading Francis Pryor's wonderful book Britain BC, in which he writes helpfully at a layperson's level about Neolithic flint artifacts. In particular he mentions a childhood incident in which he found himself briefly trapped in a Norfolk flint mine of prehistoric date (maybe it was Grimes Graves??). It's 'design' was so clearly similar to the Dene Holes I was familiar with as a child living in Joydens Wood, Bexley, that I started to wonder whether the purpose of some of these was also flint mining. I had never heard this offered as an explanation when I lived there 30-40 years ago, though of course flints littered our garden. And of course great antiquity was never suggested for these phenomena (well, at least, not at an anecdotal, non professional archaeological level). So I wondered if there'd been any misinterpretation here? Do you know any more?


From: John Janman
I sent you an email a short while ago about an old spirit glass I had etched with pub or brewery names and I have obtained a glass etched within scrolls.... Property of The Bunker Greenwich. Would you believe it I have found the answer to my question !!!! For future reference if needed.... The Bunker is at The Kings Arms Greenwich. During the blitz in the Second World War a bar below the pub was used so patrons could keep on drinking which was called The Bunker. PM


Numerous readers have sent in contributions on The Bunker:

From: Diana Rimel
'The Bunker', Greenwich, was the colloquial name given to the Kings Arms pub in King William Walk, most likely during the Second World War. It was certainly referred to by this name by naval staff of the National Maritime Museum when I worked there in the early 1970s. I am pretty sure the staff used it as a place of refuge (and for drinking) during air raids.

From: Harold Slight
The 'Kings Arms', King William Walk, Greenwich was called 'The Bunker' from the late 1930's to the 1950's. It was my father's favourite pub. The landlord was Bill Barlow - a 6ft 4", 15 stone, down-to-earth Yorkshireman.

From: Iris Bryce
The pub in King William Walk at the entrance to Greenwich Market ‘The Cricketers’ was called ‘The Bunker’ by my father and uncles.

From: Barbara Ludlow
My father, William Wellard, always referred to the Kings Arms in King William Walk as 'The Bunker'. He said that the nickname came from the habit of coal-heavers, in particular those working at the LCC power station at Highbridge leaving their shovels leaning against the wall of the pub when they took some refreshment. Whether it had the nickname before the pub was rebuilt at the beginning of the twentieth century I cannot be sure about, but certainly in the years before WW2 it was commonly known as 'The Bunker'. There is a photo of old Kings Arms P.H. in M.Mills, Greenwich and Woolwich at Work.

Editorial note: How is it that GIHS members know so much about pubs?

From: Kelya
You cannot imagine my delight when I found Vol.3, Issue 2 of March 2000 by Greenwich Industrial History Society on the Web, with comprehensive notes regarding Charles Enderby and the Auckland Islands in the "Making History" section and the article by Barbara Ludlow titled "The Enderby Settlement Diaries". It has added much to my research regarding the ill-conceived settlement and spurred me on to find more information so I wanted you to know how much I appreciated the article, albeit four years after it appeared in print. I am seeking the passenger lists of the ships - "Brisk", "Fancy" and "Samuel Enderby" which carried the intended settlers to the Islands and am also endeavouring to have the Enderby Settlement Diaries checked for Mann Family references. I would be happy to hear from any descendants of the original settlers who may have contacted you following the articles, with a view to exchanging data. Once again, many thanks to the GIHS for wonderfully informative articles which certainly "struck a chord down under".


From: Flos Harrap
I have searched for information on George Mence Smith Ltd which I now understand was founded in Greenwich and your society published an article on this recently. I am keen to find out anything I can about the company, which I remember from my childhood in Watford.


From: Ron Jones
One of the piers at Woolwich Arsenal which I think is Victorian, is being dismantled as I write. I walk to Woolwich & back every morning and evening and have been taking photographs of it being dismantled. If anyone is interested I could put up a temp web page showing the progress.


From: Edward Collins
I am interested in the copperas industry that flourished in Deptford and Rotherhithe in the seventeenth century.
I came across your publication part of Christopher Philpott's study of industry in Deptford published in the GIHS Newsletter Volume 4, Issue 2 (March 2001). In it he refers to the Copperas lands north of the Gravel Pits where he says early dye and chemical manufacture was established by Sir Nicholas Crispe. He also refers to a map of 1674 showing coppris beds on the north side of Copperas Lane with coppris houses in the southeast corner and to the east a dock opening onto the creek with a crane. I was wondering where I might be able to view the map he refers to and what his other sources are. My particular interest is in James Smith (1587-1667) and his son, Sir John Smith (1627-1673), both of whom were involved in the copperas industry in Redriff (Rotherhithe). It seems that the lives of Sir Nicholas Crispe (1599?-1666) and James Smith overlapped to a certain extent. For example, not only were they both involved in the copperas and dyeing industries but also James Smith, like Sir Nicholas, had a house at Hammersmith and was involved in the establishment of the chapel of ease (now St Paul's) at Hammersmith (the church contains memorials to both). Did their lives overlap in other ways as well? Sir John Smith was Master of the Salters' Company at the time of his death in 1673. He was also sheriff of London in 1669. The coppris works in Redriff (or Redderith) were settled on Sir John by his father in 1662 and are described in Sir John's will as follows:
".. .the coppris house and coppris works with the warehouses [cisterns] beds boilers coolers yards grounds structures sheds and other edifices thereunto belonging in Redderith aforesaid in the County of Surrey and the wharf and crane and tenements near to the North East end of the said coppris work and the messuage or tenement and lands late in the occupation of William Stephens deceased and now in the tenure or occupation of Thomas Lunt coppris maker adjoining at or near the said coppris house... [and] the Cole Yard in Redderith aforesaid adjoining to the said coppris work on the East side thereof... and certain lands meadow and pasture lying behind my coppris house called Maddbrook alias Threescore Acres [alias Sixty Acres] in Redderith aforesaid which I lately purchased of Mr John and Mr Cuthbert Winder of Bray near Maidenhead..."
I would like to find out where the Smith copperas works were and whether any records of them survive. Can any of your readers help either with this or with general information about James and Sir John Smith and/or the extent of the copperas industry in the area at the time?


From: SS Robin Trust
Morgan Stanley International Foundation have very kindly awarded the Trust £10,000 towards the education programme - this is a tremendous boost for everyone involved in trying to get the project off the ground. The money will allow us to focus on bringing local schools into the gallery over the summer, and means we can look ahead positively to teaching kids on board there!




From: Roy Tindle
I am now in touch with the owner of the Mersey Ferry, Royal Iris, which has been moored for some years at the Thames Barrier. Work is continuing on her and she is being restored.


From: Liza Walden
I wonder if you can help - my granddad, Edward Farrow, was working at the Woolwich Arsenal in the Second World War. I don't know if there was an accident at the factory or the factory was bombed. He lived but lost half an arm and some fingers on the other hand. I would much appreciate any thing you could tell me about this accident.



From: Doreen Carter
Can anyone give me information about a Captain Langmead who was involved with CS Faraday?



From: Anthony Bryer
I am interested in Henry Bryer who lived in Greenwich. In 1857 & 1864 he is described as a Floor Cloth Manufacturer. I have been unable to trace any reference sin the trade directory. In anticipation of your help.

Reviews and snippets Juy 2004

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VOTE SEVERNDROOG!!!


Severndroog Castle on Shooters Hill is to appear as one of the entries in this summer's BBC’s Restoration Programme.

Strictly speaking Severndroog isn’t industrial history - basically it is a folly - but follies were, after all, only built because people had made a lot of money out of industry. The campaign to save the castle in public use has been largely spearheaded by members of the GIHS Committee - so here is a short piece by Susan Bullivant, originally written for the Woolwich Antiquarians Newsletter.
Visit the BBC Restoration website and follow the progress of the campaign to restore Severndroog Castle. Visit also the National Maritime Museum website which shows three pages dedicated to the seafaring exploits of Sir William James, the monument that is Severndroog Castle, built in his memory, and the many images from the Museum's collections."

Severndroog Castle was built in 1784 by Lady James of Park Place Farm, Eltham as a memorial to her husband. Sir William James of the East India Company. Sir William, a former welsh ploughboy, achieved success at sea, and fought the Malabar Pirates off the Goan coast of India - near the island of Severndroog - thus ensuring a safe trade route for merchant ships. He became a director of the East India Company, after his retirement from the sea, and later on a Member of Parliament. Sir William died at Eltham, whilst at his daughter's wedding and was buried in the parish churchyard at Eltham in the family tomb. Lady James leased the land at Shooters Hill to build the castle, which she could see from her home, and she would drive over to it daily. The rooms in the castle contained his swords, and relics of his life at sea. In the 1920's the London County Council bought the Shooters Hill woodlands to preserve them from being built over - seven London Boroughs contributed money towards this project. Many people still remember, when in the care of the L.C.C., and later the G.L.C., the Castle was open to the public, and access was available to the top of the tower. There was also a small cafe on the ground floor, with seats outside in the summertime, but since being transferred to the London Borough of Greenwich, it has been closed to the public and neglected.

The Severndroog Castle Building Preservation Trust is campaigning for the building to be preserved, and once again opened for the public. The Castle featured in the BBC-2 programme, Restoration, on Saturday 8th May 2004 and featured again on 18th July as one of the three selections for S.E. England when viewers voted for the building they wish to see restored.

The Webmeister says (2017): "Although unsuccessful in obtaining funding via this route, Severndroog is now fully restored and open to the public.Their Web site provides details of the restoration and current opening hours. Strangely, their restoration time-line is not up-to-date! Severndroog Castle






THE GREAT STEAM FERRY AT GREENWICH

Progress report during re-development - past copies of this Newsletter have given information about the Great Steam Ferry at Wood Wharf - and Clive Chambers has spoken to the Society on the subject. The site is now being redeveloped and Clive went along to see what he could find.
I was lucky enough to tag along with the team from the Department of the Environment who had an interest in the remains of the ferry. We kept one step ahead of the excavators and used the contractor’s facilities to clear parts of the site before destruction. The Department recorded meticulous drawings of the remains although I was more interested in the overall working of the machinery. After cleaning the floor of the boiler room and the engine space we discovered that my earlier theories about the engines appear to be wrong. The markings and remains of fixings in the floor indicate there was one large engine that carried out several functions. However, evidence of fixing bolts indicate two other smaller engines - perhaps vertical like a motorcar - one might have hauled the semi- buoyant landing platform and the other might have been an electricity generator. There are plenty of other unexplained details. For instance, one of the shafts was enclosed in another shaft! I shall continue research. Then, just as we were ready to pack up, the excavator hit more metal about 18 feet below the floor level of the engine room. After scrambling about in the pit we came to the conclusion the two huge pipes that were revealed were nothing to do with the ferry but from an earlier construction. My view is that the pipes were part of a sewer overflow system that released water (and sewage!) into the river when the sewers were overloaded with rainwater after a heavy storm. The pipes still had debris in them but, after all this time it was quite nice smelling! I was hoping I might have a chance to crawl down a pipe but they were both nearly filled with water. This system became obsolete before the ferry was built and I have documentary evidence of the overflow system back as far 1870 - 18 years before the ferry was built


WOOLWICH FERRY VISIT
by Richard Buchanan (from the Blackheath Scientific Society Newsletter) 

Members of the Blackheath Scientific Society met at the Ferry approach on the south of the Thames at 2pm. The following notes are what I remember (I hope correctly) of what we were told. All books about Woolwich have articles about its ferry, but a look behind the scenes adds fascinating detail - taken for granted by the staff - not otherwise known. The party was met by Mr. Paul Beareman, the Workshop Manager, who took us past the contemporary Ambulance Station to the Workshop beyond, telling us that they had been built in the early 1960s by the GLC, when the present ferry was built. Then the GLC had responsibility for various piers, sewage boats, etc. as well as the ferry, and had built a substantial workshop. There are about 110 ferry staff, most of whom are ferry and terminal crew who work in a rota of five shifts running two boats on weekdays and one at weekends (there is no night service) - 30 are employed in the workshop.

The Workshop has a large central working area, with rooms around it for Plumbers, Fitters, Electricians, etc - still used today for those separate trades. Many non-standard parts (including many which once were standard) are made on site for maintenance of the three ferries, the ferry terminals and associated plant. The workshop is equipped with overhead hoists of various ratings, lathes, grinders, milling machines. etc.. At the time of the visit a Voith propeller unit was set up for maintenance. Mr Beareman described the design of the ferry’s propulsion system. Voith propeller units with five vertical blades beneath are fitted at each end: with the blades set tangentially (like the blades of one part of a kitchen whisk) a propeller will turn without developing any thrust; set them at an angle, however and thrust is developed, in a direction determined by the angle. The ferry can be steered backwards, forwards, sideways, or to spin with equal ease (it has a twin set of navigation lights, used according to its direction of travel).

Each ferry has a draft of about five feet and has a flat bottom - except at the ends where it is raised so that the three-foot long propeller blades do not protrude - it can sit on a flat bed without harm. The propeller units are fitted in twelve foot diameter vertical tubes rising just above the fore and aft decks, easily visible to ferry passengers. After unbolting the cover, the units can be withdrawn with the ferry afloat. Each Unit operates at 600rpm, driven by its own diesel engine; originally 7 cylinder Mirlees-Blackstone, they have been replaced with 6 cylinder engines by the same company (though now part of a German group). Control of the thrust angle was originally manual, controlled through universal-jointed shafting from the bridge to each propeller unit. Eventually wear made the system unworkable, even with maintenance involving rebushing, etc.. a setting in one direction giving thrust to another. About three years ago it was decided to computerise the controls which set the desired ferry direction, the computer then deciding the two propeller unit settings - it works well.

The party then moved to the quayside, where one of the ferries was moored for maintenance. It sat on a wooden platform, over which it can float at high tide. This sets the top deck of the ferry below the present level of the flood defences, so a large steel gate has been provided for access, which is via a ramp using an original side gate (when first produced the ferries used the side loading piers of the previous paddle ferries). One could then appreciate the means of removing a propeller unit and taking it into the workshop on its special trailer.

Mr. Beareman then took the party on the riverside to the south terminal, through a gate and a walkway to the tower, and up to its first floor. Here we saw the counterweight mechanism for the two 100 ton spans. A level-compensating mechanism is incorporated for changes due to changing load as the traffic drives off and on for the tide - significant at mid-tide even for the few minutes the ferry is docked - and watched it in action as the ferry docked. We then went up to the second floor, which has windows giving a good view of the Thames. We saw the main winding gear, and the large chains (like enormous bicycle chains) - they have stretched a little over their life, but only two have needed replacement.

We then travelled on the James Newman across the River and back. The ferry is of steel construction, but the top deck is wooden, with 3" pitch pine planking covered by 2" deal - something else that needs maintenance. One could see the top covers of the propeller units, but little else of the machinery; the two diesel engines are either side of a central walkway on the passenger (lower) deck, with a shaft diagonally under the floor to each of the propeller units. Unfortunately a car dropped its exhaust while boarding at the north terminal, delaying the return crossing. Mr. Beareman, who had already attended on our slow-walking party, had another appointment, so we promptly thanked him for a most interesting visit and let him go.


GasLight

Reported on Brian Sturt’s visit to Manchester to tell the North about the South London gas industry.
What they thought is as follows:

"Phew! What a relief! After Brian Sturt had struggled up 200 miles of the nation's finest highways, Northern Gas History members showed their appreciation and turned out in force to greet him.
A record audience listened to his fascinating tale of the growth and development of the country's second largest gas undertaking. Lavishly illustrated with a series of slides culled from sources that most present did not even know existed, Brian traced the appearance, and disappearance, of gas companies, and gasworks, on the south bank of the Thames. Bankside, Phoenix, Surrey Consumers, Croll, Ordnance Wharf and George Livesey - the names, and information, at times threatened to overwhelm the poor northerners but Brian is too good a storyteller and his tale too interesting to allow this to happen. The many disparate strands soon came together as the South Metropolitan Gas Company (or the South Met. to its familiars). Under the guiding hand of its formidable Chairman, George Livesey, the company set standards for others, both within the gas industry and without) to follow - Sick Pay, Pensions, Co-partnership, Worker Directors, Gas Showrooms - even its own Building Society. Little wonder that when, at last, Livesey shuffled off his mortal coil, over 7,000 mourners followed his coffin to his final rest."



Blackheath and Greenwich Guide
Published a really excellent article by Neil Rhind on the Blackheath radio manufacturers, Burndept. It tells how one of the first directors of the BBC was W H (Witt) Burnham, who was put on the Board to represent the smaller companies with an interest in broadcasting. He was one third of the board of Burndept founded in 1919. The original premises were in Deptford. Burnham's partners were electrical engineer Charles Frank Phillips and a Mr. C Duveen. They were housed behind Grotes Buildings in Tilling’s abandoned horse bus station and in 1921 it was called it Aerial Works.
Burndept operated in Blackheath from 1921 to 1931, producing some of the finest quality early radios, from small crystal sets to powerful four-valve loudspeaker-linked receivers. The brand name was Ethophone. They were the first to put domestic radio receivers into cars, aeroplanes, houseboats, yachts and even in punts. The company made a delivery van in the form of a giant Ethophone V model, and placed a receiver on a hand cart with an aerial and loudspeakers. Unfortunately, like many pioneering organisations, Burndept saw the large market going to manufacturers less interested in novelty and more in cheapness and mass production. By 1927 the firm was in deep financial difficulty and was placed into receivership. In 1934 the old name was resurrected when it was bought by a Thomas Cole, a battery maker, who opened a factory at Erith and took on those Burndept staff who wanted to join him. His new trading name was Vidor. Aerial Works remained a factory, passing through the ownership of various electrical manufacturers including Siemens and GEC, but it was demolished in December 1995.


THE SMALL HOUSE IN EIGHTEENTH CENTURY LONDON by Peter Guillery.
London's modest 18th century houses, those inhabited by artisans and labourers, can tell us much about the culture of that period. This fascinating book examines largely forgotten small houses that survive from the 18th century and sheds new light on both the era's urban architecture and the lives of a culturally distinctive metropolitan population. Peter Guillery discusses how and where, by and for whom the houses were built, stressing vernacular continuity and local variability. He investigates the effects of creeping industrialisation (both on house building and on the occupants), and considers the nature of speculative suburban growth. Providing rich and evocative illustrations, he compares these houses to urban domestic architecture elsewhere, as in North America, and suggests that the 18th century vernacular metropolis has enduring influence.
ISBN 0300 102380 price: £40.00 (Review taken from GLAA Review)


Post-Medieval Archaeology. Vol. 38 Part 1 2004
Excavations at Deptford on the site of the East India Company dockyards and the Trinity House almshouses, London - (David Divers et al)
An archaeological excavation was conducted on the site of the Deptford power stations prior to the redevelopment of the site. The excavations followed an evaluation that identified two areas where significant archaeological remains survived. The first of these excavation areas, on the site of the Trinity House almshouses, revealed three major phases of building. The earliest structural remains correspond to the documented 16th century origins of the complex, while subsequent buildings date to the 17th and 18th centuries. The second area revealed the structural remains of a dockyard, founded by the East India Company in the early 17th century. Excavation exposed slipways and wharves of the dockyard, and waste products associated with shipbuilding activities were recovered. Evidence for the medieval river embankment pre-dating the dockyard was also recorded. The manufacture of pottery is another known activity on the site during the 18th century. No structural remains of any pottery were found, although a large quantity of pottery wasters and kiln waste was retrieved from land reclamation dumps.
Review taken from GLAA Review



Extracts from Greater London Archeology Advisory Service Quarterly 

THE ROYAL ARSENAL, WOOLWICH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PHASE 2- Oxford Archaeology
Found two systems dating from 1800-1860 as well as floors, flues, concrete tanks, concrete foundations and a possible engine or stanchion mount, associated with a Shot and Shell Factory or later works (1860-1960).

ROYAL ARSENAL, WOOLWICH (BUILDING 48) - Oxford Archaeology.
This is unlisted but is within the Royal Arsenal Conservation Area - buildings at the site which are of national significance in terms of their military and industrial history. The building was constructed in c.1889-90 and has typical late 19th century stone walls, regular fenestration with cast iron glazing bars, cast iron columns and joists and an iron truss roof. Its structure is illustrative of the technological advances made in the construction industry during the 19th century which allowed larger, uninterrupted spaces and a much more open plan form to that of the adjacent, early 19th century ranges of the Grand Store. It also represents an important later phase in the history of the Arsenal as the site expanded and developed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries before it reached its peak during the Great War.

THE ROYAL ARSENAL, WOOLWICH (AREA OF FORMER BUILDING 50) - Oxford Archaeology
A possible east-west timber revetment, 15341, may relate to this period. A channel located within the north-east of the site probably relates to drainage works instigated in the late 18th century. A centrally located underlay proofing workshops shown on maps of 1802-8, and other culverts within the east of the site probably relate to the same period. Ranges of timber pilings found to the north, east and west relate to the construction of the Grand Store's Eastern and Northern Ranges and 'Central structure', which started in 1805. Much of the remains of this phase had been removed during previous remediation works, although fragmentary remains of the former power station building were in evidence, particularly within the west of the watching brief area.

LAND BETWEEN 25-29 POINT HILL, S.E.10 - Compass Archaeology
It had been thought that the site might be crossed by a post-medieval conduit, one of a number which supplied water from natural springs to Greenwich Palace. The subsequent route of the conduit is unknown, although this close to the head it would probably be fairly small taking the form of a lead pipe or small brick drain. Quarrying activities in the area disturbed some of the conduits, and resulted in the diversion and serious reduction of the water supply. Observation of the redevelopment works revealed later post-medieval work at the northern part of the site, filling what may have been a small quarry pit.

173-185 GREENWICH HIGH ROAD, GREENWICH, S.E.10 - Museum of London Archaeology Service
Despite extensive truncation, brick footings associated with the Greenwich Railway Terminus, built in 1840 were identified in the north part of the site. The remains of cellars associated with other 19th century buildings were also identified.


Bygone Kent
The June 2004 article includes an article by Barbara Ludlow on John de Morgan and the Battle for Plumstead Common. Not, strictly speaking, industrial history - but a good dramatic local story with a few remaining mysteries.


Meridian

The June Meridian contains another of Peter Kent’s excellent articles in his Riverwatch series. Entitled Greenwich Grit this explores the remains of the old industries along the riverside path downstream from the ‘grandeur of the World Heritage Site’. From there on there is the Trafalgar Tavern 'down an ancient alleyway where Tudor houses once jostled with each other between the warehouses bordering the Thames. …. this firm shoreline bristled with every type of ship imaginable from all across the world'. He himself remembers when 'the wharves were still bustling with lighters, colliers and coasters; even Thames spritsail barges graced Ballast Quay'. But 'when the colliers ceased supplying the great Greenwich Power Station and Robinson's scrap yard at Anchor Iron Wharf closed, this really changed the atmosphere' at Ballast Quay. As we pass down river we arrive at Ballast Quay and the Harbour Master's Office ‘from here the fleets of incoming colliers were controlled …… because 'King Coal' ruled the Capital and each tide brought in the fuel source’. He points out that ‘the great generating station here at Greenwich is the last remaining power station still to be working. The great coal hauling landing stage is, however, no longer used. The enormous coal bunkers towering over neighbouring Trinity Hospital still remain… it evolved from a smaller plant which was built to supply the local trams and trolley buses. ….. it grew and grew with its four very tall chimneys and two generating halls the size of cathedrals. Nowadays only part of the building is used to accommodate a series of gas-fired jet engines which spring into life when needed to supplement the national grid for London Underground. It was built on the site of ‘Crowley House ….. where anchors were shipped in from the north-east foundries……the variety of types and sizes of anchors is mind boggling and there's a good collection still to be seen close by at the National Maritime Museum.

Peter says that ‘Bob Aynge, our friendly foreshore man, says the river is still littered with abandoned anchors. No doubt fortunes were also made here when Anchor Iron Wharf was a clearing house for the detritus of south east London's disintegrating industry’ He remembers the ‘many trucks and totters' carts waited to get their scrap valued and off-loaded prior to being shipped to some far off steelworks’.

All of this is gone and now there is a new development by Berkeley Homes on Anchor Iron Wharf. ‘Pedestrians will be pleased that the developers here have dedicated much of the old riverside wharf to public use, once again changing the scale and revealing a view not seen before of this once busy river port’.



We have been sent a page from the Times (6th February 2004). This is an obituary of Frank Stone, a lead-burning specialist who died this January. Stone was an expert in producing indestructible joints for great lengths of steel piping and played a crucial role in the development of PLUTO. Together with his brothers, Albert and Ron, Frank was part of a Brockley-based lead business and in 1942 were asked by Siemens of Woolwich to design suitable jointing methods for PLUTO - which they did with great success. PLUTO was made by Siemens in Woolwich, and Callender’s in Erith - the three Stone brothers working with both firms.

After the war Frank Stone specialized in submarine cable work, and also in medical physics for hospitals and radiation protection in the nuclear industry. After retiring he remained a consultant to the cable industry.

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Letters July 2004

From: Adrian Goolden
In response to Pat O'Driscoll's query on your Web site. I remember a cast iron drain cover with the maker’s name Anderson & Goolden on it - in the grounds of my old school in Surrey, built 1900. It always fascinated me as both names were in my family! There were no other names /addresses on it.



David Pollard asked about Campbell Evans - did we know anything about him?
Mary Mills replied: In the 1859 sewer rate lists for the Greenwich Peninsula is "Peter Soames and Campbell Evans, engineers shop, smithy shop, yard and dwelling house and offices". This is next to the entry for James Soamessoap works. Peter Soames was one of the local Soames family who ran a massive soap factory on Morden Wharf for many years - they made British Carbolic and were taken over by Unilever.

David replied: “I have since found an 1858 patent for cranes in the names of Soames, P and Evans, J C. Thanks to you I know something about Soames. The next joint patent was for hoists, the parties this time were Evans, J C and Fairlie, W. Have you ever come across Fairlie? I wonder if there is a connection with Robert Fairlie, the son-in-law of George England of Hatcham Ironworksat New Cross.


From: Peter Claughton
Richard Howarth of the Geologists' Association is trying to trace the site of a plant in East London used to process radioactive minerals from Cornwall - can you help?


From: Nancy Williams
I found the Greenwich Industrial History Society Newsletter on the Web through a search engine. I am trying to trace my father’s family. My father was born in 1914 at 7 Drake Buildings, Deptford. There is no mention of a street name. I am trying to find any references to the Drake Buildings so that I can possibly search street directories of the time to see if I can find reference to any member's of my father’s family. I am wondering if the Drake Buildings might have been some industrial type building at some time? I am also wondering if there is some sort of register or record of dock labourers around that time?

The Webmeister contributes:
From my own knowledge I would think that this was probably part of the old Deptford Victualling yards, some of which weren't knocked down and became incorporated in to the present-day Pepys Estate. Whether it was just the warehouses that were preserved and converted into flats I'm not sure. However, there is more info here...

1961 Royal Victoria Victualling Yard closed. Became Pepys Estate, some 1790 buildings remain (officers houses and warehouses).

Nancy has subsequently been back in touch to say that she is going to contact the Pepys Community Forum to see if they have any more information. However, any other information on this would be useful.


Members will remember that at the May GIHS meeting Gerry Moss spoke about the history of fireworks - and the dangers of small, local firework factories where terrible explosions were only too frequent. Gerry drew attention to the pioneering work of the Explosives Inspectorate and in particular Col. Vivien Majendie, after whom Majendie Road in Plumstead is named.

Gerry writes:
As mentioned at the Blackheath meeting I have a copy of Majendie’s signature. Reading it again it is not clear if he actually wrote these complements slips. I thought you might find this interesting.

Reviews and snippets September 2004

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Reviews and snippets September 2004

SWIFTSTONE TRUST NEWSLETTER

News about preserved tug Swiftstone - and pictures of her work as a support vessel in aid of a sponsored row on 9th August last year for the Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital. More recently, on 30th July this year, Swiftstone led the Beating the Bounds ceremony on the river with the Bishop of Southwark.


NAVAL DOCKYARDS SOCIETY NEWSLETTER

It really is a pity, given that we have sites of two naval dockyards locally, that this Portsmouth-based newsletter can say so little about them - apart from notices of Society AGMs held at the Maritime Museum, and some cataloguing work done by David Worrell there, they maintain a complete silence on the subject. Can we encourage people to get in touch with them?


BUILDING SERVICES HERITAGE

A glossy produced by Paul Yunnie of Andrews Water Heaters for CIBSE, this gives a page each to a number of remarkable heating systems in historic buildings. One of these is the Courtauld House (Eltham Palace to us). There are some nice pictures of the central vacuum cleaner system and details of the hot water panels embedded in the walls, synchronous clocks throughout the house, a loudspeaker system to relay music and a private internal telephone exchange by Siemens.

BLACKHEATH GUIDE

The current Guide contains another of Neil Rhind's dynamic articles on Blackheath. This one, The busy life of Tranquil Val, features pictures of Blackheath Windmills. The area began as a sand pit in the 1740s but following flooding and subsequent drying out, windmills were built there. West Mill dated from 1760 and was demolished in 1835. East Mill remained as a stump into the 1850s. Both were replaced with posh houses. The Vale was also home to the National School for Industry (for girls!) and nearby was a brewery from 1825. By 1850 it was owned by James Peacock brewing 'Peacock's Swipes'. His ale cost 1/6d. a gallon in 1861 and was brewed with the help of his wife and 10 children.

THE MERCURY

On 18th August were offering a prize for the reader who could guess the weight on one of the steam hammer bases being moved in the Arsenal site. They are going to be placed in the entrance to the Shell Foundry as a visitor attraction. 

INDUSTRIAL ARCHAEOLOGY NEWS

The front page has a remarkable photograph by Bob Carr of the decorated and beflagged ironwork at Crossness on the occasion of the 'first steaming' on 4th April this year.

GLIAS NEWSLETTER

The August 2004 edition contains Further observations on Henry Bessemer by Mary Mills. This is in response to a write-up of Dennis Smith's GLIAS AGM talk on Bessemer and points out Dennis' omission of Bessemer's Greenwich steel works on the Greenwich Peninsula.

CROSSNESS ENGINES RECORD

One of the problems which faced Crossness in the past few months was the sudden cancellation of their Open Day on 10th May. This was to be the first public steaming of Prince Consort and people were coming from all over the country. Thames Water are in dispute with Bexley Council on issues of smell from the works and therefore seem to have decided that the public steaming was a likely security risk - and so the Open Day had to be cancelled.

Another item in the Newsletter is - What is under the Valve House? So - 'D.I.D' explains "The Valve House has not had much of a mention in any history of Crossness to date. It lies to the western end of the site and today it houses the Trust's collection of steam items awaiting restoration and display."

D.I.D. goes on "The story starts when the Trust took delivery of an Easton & Anderson Beam engine which had been used to pump fresh water at Addington... Easton & Anderson were a local firm in Erith and it was decided it would be appropriate if it were exhibited at Crossness..... the Valve House was selected as a suitable place to set up the engine. Now that "Prince Consort" is back in steam the restoration of the Easton & Anderson engine has begun! It has an 18ft diameter flywheel and must have a pit which goes below floor level".

However - investigations have led to exciting discoveries. D.I.D. explains: " A survey has recently been carried out in the "cable tunnel" situated at the south-western comer of the Boiler House which is home to electric cables. This tunnel ends abruptly and some of the cables leave the tunnel by turning south. Martin Wilson wanted to know where these cables went when they plunged underground. He lifted up an inspection hatch on the southern side of the garden and found they crossed the garden through an underground chamber attached to the vaulted brick roof. Further investigation revealed a chamber some 13ft wide by 23ft long and quite deep! Further work is needed.

LONDON REGION ARCHAEOLOGY

The 2004 edition of this review, produced by English Heritage, contains information about archaeological work on the Arsenal site. They point out that "The Royal Arsenal in Woolwich is a site of national importance in terms of its history, architecture and archaeological remains.... the site contains a large number of listed (and unlisted - but historic) buildings ranging widely in date, function, scale and architectural style".

They describe how "In the past year the main focus has been the on-going programme of works to record some of the main historic buildings in advance of their conversion to new uses. These reflect the variety of structures at the site ranging from the imposing grandeur of the Napoleonic-period Grand Store and the early 18th- century Royal Military Academy to the Crimean-period Shot and Shell Foundry Gatehouse, the later 19th century chemical laboratory and the vast early 20th-century Central Offices. Other buildings recorded include the Paper Cartridge Factory, a pair of very large late 19th century storehouses and the relatively small telephone exchange (originally Naval Offices).

The most recent site recording is the Grand Store complex built between 1806-13 and listed Grade II*. Of three quadrangles only the central survives in anything like its original form. Due to severe subsidence, the ranges are in a poor condition - for instance the north bay had had its original stone and brick construction taken down and rebuilt in timber framing and the original stone cornices were replaced with timber replicas, clearly work to make the construction lighter and less susceptible to subsidence. It is known from historical documentation that the ranges started sinking soon after their initial construction. Several hydraulic lifts were also installed in the 19th century to move heavy equipment between floors. There is possible evidence of a series of small freestanding stoves throughout the ranges but now entirely removed.

Excavations on the south boring mill site showed the development of buildings from 1808, starting with what contemporary plans label as a 'Dipping Square', which was used for making fuses. This brick-built structure was part of the Royal Laboratory division of the Royal Arsenal, primarily charged with the invention and development of weapons. A range of gun carriage timbers, described below, were used as a foundation raft as the structure was built on marshy ground. Later buildings included the South Forge, from which the base for the 35 ton steam hammer and its anvil (which remains in situ).

A total of ninety-two timbers from gun carriages designed and built at the time of Nelson offer an unprecedented opportunity to investigate the constructional techniques and use of gun carriages. The Arsenal produced weapons and accoutrements for land campaigns and the timbers contained block trails from land carriages and siege guns, and blocks for mounting Cohorn mortar guns. These were invented by the Dutch military engineer Menno van Coehoorn (1641 - 1704). The majority of the collection though was from naval carriages. It included side-pieces (cheeks), wheels (trucks), cross-pieces (transoms) and axles (axle-trees). The majority of the timbers are to be transported to Explosion! Museum of Naval Firepower at Gosport, where they will be used as a study collection for artillery experts and educational groups.

CHANGING LONDON

The current edition of English Heritage's Historic City for a Modern World contains a short article by Paul Calvocoressi highlighting the important of Convoy's Wharf, Deptford 'key to naval supremacy and Naval Power'. He points out that the Dockyards as 'major state-capitalised undertakings'.. 'were also a key element in the country's development as a leading industrial power'.

We would also like to wish Paul a happy an profitable retirement - hope it will mean his continued and increasing involvement with GIHS - and thank him for his work in East and South East London over the years.

CIVIL ENGINEERING HERITAGE. LONDON AND THE THAMES VALLEY

This substantial book has been produced by Dr. Dennis Smith for The Institution of Civil Engineers and consists of a gazetteer or interesting historic engineering sites in the London area. Greenwich sites listed are: Woolwich Ferry and Foot Tunnel, Thames Flood Barrier, Blackwall Tunnels, Greenwich Foot Tunnel, Deptford Pumping Station, Southern Outfall, Deptford and Woolwich Royal Naval Dockyards, London and Greenwich Railway, Docklands Light Railway, Jubilee Line Extension, Deptford Power Station, Greenwich Power Station, Royal Arsenal Woolwich, Enderby's Wharf Greenwich, Millennium Dome and the Royal Military Academy. It's difficult to chose which of those to highlight as an extract - so, let's look at what he has to say about what is probably the least well known in this list:

Deptford Pumping Station - This lift station, on the Southern Main Drainage, was the first to be completed in May 1864. The original plant comprised four beam engines totaling 500 hp and ten Cornish boilers by Slaughter, Gruning & Co. of Bristol. The pumps lifted 123 million gallons per day through 18ft. It is a stock brick building, with round-headed windows, a slate roof and a square brick chimney. Coal was delivered from Deptford Creek and stored in a cast-iron arcaded, covered coal store, which still exists. The building contractors were Aird and Son. The steam engines were replaced by reciprocating oil engines and subsequently by electric motors. It is still an operational station maintained by Thames Water.

THE MARINE POTENTIAL OF CONVOYS WHARF, DEPTFORD

This is the latest edition of a Community Vision for the Port of Deptford. Everyone who is interested in the fate of this wharf, the site of the earliest Royal Naval Dockyard.

They say: "When it became apparent that Convoys was likely to be redeveloped, a clear aspiration was to maximise employment. Out of that desire came the idea of locating London's long wished-for cruise liner terminal on the 25 acres - just over half of the site protected as wharfage.

A mix of marine industries on the wharf would re-connect Deptford with the river, whilst leaving enough space for other forms of employment. Although the cruise liner terminal remains at the heart of the community's vision for Convoys Wharf, this revision additionally seeks to address some of the wider challenges presented, and opportunities afforded, by such a large site. Since the earlier editions of this document were published, the Port of London Authority (PLA) have taken the lead in progressing plans to develop a permanent cruise liner facility at Convoys Wharf. In addition to the work directly related to Convoys Wharf, they have recently published the results of an Economic Impact Study, which shows that some twelve thousand jobs within Greater London are directly related to Port activity. Over and above this, London's international shipping concerns (ship brokers, owners, underwriters, surveyors and specialist legal firms) employ nearly fourteen thousand people within Greater London.

A cruise liner terminal would give both the Port and the international shipping business a visible focus within London that is currently lacking .


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From: A Yule
Several generations of my family worked at Woolwich Arsenal in the mid-1800s early 1900s.
Could you please let me know if there are any personnel records for that period and if so where they are stored?


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From: Chris Beddoe
I am currently tracing my family history which has Greenwich links in the 19th century - of particular interest is a Pub called the Steam Ferry, on Horseferry Road. My great-grandparents Charles George Beddoe and Annie Beddoe (nee Clarke) had the licence around the mid-1880s. My grandfather George Beddoe was born there in 1888. I believe the pub was earlier named the Unicorn Tavern (before the official opening of the Steam Ferry) and both Charles George and Annie were working there before they married in 1886.
I have read with interest the article on Wood Wharf from an earlier edition and I have been wondering if any of your members or contacts has any knowledge of/interest in the pubs around the Wharf. I am particularly interested in seeing any photos of the area from that period.



From: Allan Green
I have just read the latest Newsletter and felt that it was necessary to make some comment about the Stone Brothers and PLUTO article. I saw the obituary in The Timesand was interested to read of the connection they had with Siemens. The PLUTO pipeline was constructed using two quite different types of piping both of which contributed significantly to the war effort.
The type with which Stones were involved was known as HAIS (named after Clifford Hartley, Chief Engineer of the Anglo Iranian Oil Company and also after Siemens) . H artley A nglo I ranian S iemens. It was made mainly from lead and produced by Siemens on conventional cable manufacturing equipment but also by no less than eight other companies including Telcon in Greenwich, Henley's and Johnson and Phillips.................. all very close to home as it were. The lead pipes could be extruded in lengths of 700 yards and had to be joined which is where the brothers Stone came in. It was no mean lead pipe weighing in at 65 tons per nautical mile and no less than 23,000 tons were used to construct that part of PLUTO.
The other type of pipe was known as HAMEL and was made from steel tubes and did not involve lead burning i.e. the Stones were not involved in this one. The manufacturers of HAMEL pipeline were the big steel tube makers like Stewarts & Lloyds and James Mowlem.



From: Tony Osman
For some time I have been searching for evidence to show that Telcon played a significant part in the manufacture of PLUTO. During this 60th anniversary year there have been a number of publications on the development and execution of PLUTO with mention of W.T-Henley. BICC, and Siemens, but nothing which included Telcon. There appears to be no local recognition as to the important part that Telcon played in this historic event.
It is my intention to write a short article on this subject. I can remember (what I believed to be) PLUTO being despatched. I hope others may still be around. I hope you can advise me where I can obtain full details of Telcon's part in the PLUTO Project.

Reviews and snippets November 2004

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GRAVES IN EAST GREENWICH PLEASAUNCE

East Greenwich Pleasaunce is a small park in the back streets of East Greenwich - it was originally the graveyard for Greenwich’s Royal Hospital and it contains many graves of navy veterans - including at least two that fought at Trafalgar. Every year a group from the Greenwich Royal Navy Association hold a short service around a memorial in the park wall on the Saturday nearest Trafalgar Day. Next year is the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar and there will to be many events, nationwide, and particularly here in Greenwich.

Mary Mills - who is a Greenwich councillor for that area - noticed that the Pleasaunce and its graves did not yet feature in the programme, and decided to do something about it! GIHS members and friends can help by telling Mary anything they know about the graves in the Pleasaunce and the people who are buried in them.

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WHAT IS UNDER THE VALVE HOUSE AT CROSSNESS?

In our last issue we included extracts from the Crossness Engines Record on ‘What is under the Valve House at Crossness’ - in their Autumn issue this story is followed up – and so we have followed them with another extract by DID:

“The intention of the Trust was to house their collection of "other" engines in the Valve House. The Easton & Anderson engine had a flywheel that would need a pit, below the Valve House floor, right where some vaults seemed to run! Further investigation was required. Members discovered that additional Pumping Power was called for at Crossness in 1878. The Metropolitan Board of Works planned to purchase some Great Western Railway Broad Gauge Engines to drive pumps - two were to be used at Crossness. The location of these engines on the site has always been a mystery. Not anymore. The drawings of 1878 show the western end of the Valve House with the outline of two broad gauge locomotives set over four pump chambers. More importantly the drawing shows the brick arches, that would be the same as those under the eastern end where the Easton & Anderson was to be sited.

The building alterations were contracted to Thomas Docwra & Son and the alterations to the engines was entrusted to Easton & Anderson. Part of the contract was the supply of a bucket dredger, called a Jacob's Ladder, and a small horizontal non-condensing steam engine to drive it. So far, no explanation of how the system operated has been discovered. Although this research located the Broad Gauge engines they were at the western end of the house and the Easton & Anderson, with the flywheel problem, was to be sited at the eastern end. What could be learnt from this research and applied to the eastern end?

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DEPTFORD AND WOOLWICH

Bob Carr, writing in the GLIAS Newsletter, has provided a good summary of current changes in our area – as follows:

“Readers will be only too aware of how housing redevelopment along the riverside has rendered much of Thameside permanently unusable for shipping activities. A campaign is being waged to prevent the Deptford Dockyard waterfront from being redeveloped in this way. Deptford and Woolwich Royal Dockyards were situated at two of the best locations on the Thames, where deep water is maintained by natural scour - not surprisingly the Crown had the pick of choice sites. It would be a great tragedy if Deptford (Convoys Wharf) is to be lost to shipping for all time. Two c.l847 shipbuilding sheds in which warships were constructed remain. A bronze statue group to commemorate Czar Peter the Great's visit to Deptford in 1698 was unveiled on 5 June 2001. and stand near the entrance to Deptford Creek and the site of Sebastian de Ferranti's pioneer power station of 1889. The figures are on a polished granite plinth made in St Petersburg. The bronze statue was cast in Deptford. Does anyone know who cast them?

The eastern peninsula at the entrance to Deptford Creek has been totally cleared and awaits redevelopment. Small ships carrying sand and gravel still use the creek and berth just above Creek Road on the east bank which means the road bridge is still in use. A Stothert & Pitt crane is used to unload cargoes. The MV James Prior was noted at the berth on 27 August 2004.

Currently, MV Balmoral and the replica Endeavour operate occasional passenger cruises from Woolwich Pier and the Woolwich waterfront is not entirely private housing, although flats are now being built on the site of Cubow's shipyard. Recent archaeological excavation at Woolwich Arsenal has unearthed an enormous treasure trove of industrial and military remains - steam hammer bases, casting floors, machine beds and building foundations have been discovered on a bewildering scale. Here archaeologists and developers are working in partnership, with recent archaeological knowledge being utilised in planning new building locations and foundation piles. In the past, the Arsenal would just bury their 'rubbish' using any convenient hole that needed filling. This has provided the 21st century with a rich legacy of historic arms and munitions for scholarly study.”

Creekside Forum are working on the numerous regeneration initiatives on the Deptford riverside. Inevitably the focus is on several old industrial sites. Here are some (heavily edited) extracts from their recent Annual Report:

“Borthwick Wharf has been a major focus of activity. Together with its neighbour, Payne's Wharf, this fine block, designed by RIBA gold medallist Edwin Cooper, is the subject of a planning application by George Wimpey for yet another tower block. Payne's is listed but English Heritage denied protection to Borthwick. We argued that this former meat cold store should be adapted for present-day use - for example it could be a major new gallery space. Bill Ellson has researched Borthwick's overseas operations. Never a household name in Britain, they sold only to retail butchers. By 1963 in Australia and New Zealand they had five cattle stations and 11 freezing plants and tntil Britain joined the Common Market most of their product was landed at Deptford. The building thus forms part of an Australasian heritage, as well as being the last evidence of Deptford's 500-year-old meat trade.

The strength of local support was demonstrated on a guided walk held in mid-summer… the event attracted interest thanks to a fine flyer by Michele.

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GREATER LONDON ARCHAEOLOGY ADVISORY SERVICE

The current Quarterly Review gives the usual detailed accounts of archaeological investigations in the Borough. Much of it concerns peats, gravels and the like but there are some items of industrial interest extracted below.

THE ROYAL ARSENAL (BUILDING 21)
Oxford Archaeology reported:

This is a relatively small building built in 1890 as Naval Offices. Originally two storied, a second floor was added in 1903 and it was later converted to a telephone exchange. It has polychromatic brick detailing like the Chemical Laboratory and its lightweight iron roof – had been taken down and reused when the building was raised a storey. The internal layout of the building was lost in conversion. But some sash windows survive intact plus skirtings, doors and architraves on the first floor - including two late 19th century partitions.

THE ROYAL ARSENAL, WOOLWICH, IO GROUP, PHASE 2.
Pre-Construct Archaeology reported:

'Made ground' was found across the site corresponding to the process of ground raising from the 17th to 19th centuries, to make the marshland suitable for construction.

The remains of a square brick built structure were found - matching two of four bays shown on a plan of 1808 and labelled ‘Dipping Square’ - part of the Royal Laboratory. Inside were two deep square wells or tanks, and a domed brick cylinder, probably a well. Foundations included brick pier bases and brick columns for floor supports founded on timber base-plates which were pieces of gun carriages, and of great importance for research into Napoleonic-era English weapons. In the 1820's-1870's the site was used as a timber-seasoning field by the Royal Carriage Department and the remains found include timber/metal rails and small foundation pads.

Substantial remains of the 35-ton steam hammer were found construction of which began in 1872 in the South Forge. The anvil foundations comprised a series of cast iron plates beneath a cast iron frustum arranged in a stepped pyramid and these were left in situ. The anvil had been built in a large square construction cut, backfilled with concrete. Four metal plates NW and SE of the anvil may have supported above-ground machinery, possibly even the furnaces that kept the hammer in work – and an area of metal plate work and heavy burning may be testament to one of the furnaces.

On maps a Boiler House is shown to the east, to provide the hammer’s power and brick remains of pier bases and flues were found. The flues comprised metal louvre shutters to control the flow of smoke into a large N-S aligned flue beyond the site's edge.

In the NW corner of the site the lower level foundations of a large Radial Crane were exposed, probably from 1876. There were the remains of deep metal tanks around the foundations and a brick floor to the south may be a structure marked on an 1895 OS map as‘Browning Shop’. Brick flues in the south of the site served to carry fumes towards a large octagonal chimney. Other concrete pads match an unidentified structure shown on the map.

In the southern and eastern areas of the site were the remains of the South Boring Mill, built in 1882 and enlarged 1885-1912. A number of lathe beds survived, some represented by concrete footings, and others by metal beds and tracks and mechanisms revealing processes of power transmission. There were also concrete pier bases, metal stanchion bases and base-plates, brick footings and party walls, and concrete slabs many of which could not be fully explained. Outside the South Boring Mill, were remains of bogie tracks for the transport of raw materials and finished products and also cobbled surfaces. Some pieces of metalwork associated with the lathe beds were stamped with the maker's mark, and date, a Manchester-based engineering firm, Craven Bros. After 1914, South Forge became a Tender shop with concrete tanks and two concrete bases for turntables. At the southern end were two brick flues corresponding with a series of Gas Producers marked on a plan of the 1930's.

Also found were concrete pier bases, footings, brick walls and stanchion bases - matching Building A73. shown on a 1930's map. Also remains of a Tempering Shop with a series of large wrought iron vertical tanks, and a square brick tank with iron lining. Some of remains may be Oil Tanks marked on the 1895 map Immediately south was a complicated area of brick, iron and concrete from a structure marked in a 1930's map as Naval Insp (Shells). Concrete footings and stanchion bases in the south of the site is thought to be the remains of the Plant Store, shown on the 1930s map. In the SE corner of the site were remains of a structure, shown on a plan of 1960's. Internally a floor slab was found, with a small set of bogie tracks, and a set of four concrete features, possibly tanks or ordnance-testing pits. A number of shell casings were retrieved from these pits. Outside were further railway or bogie tracks, cobbled surfaces and isolated machine bases.

THE ROYAL ARSENAL (BUILDING 37).
Oxford Archaeology reported:

Building 37 was the offices of the Ordnance Stores Department and formed part of the Grand Stores. It retains a large quantity of primary decorative features such as skirting boards. It underwent one major refurbishment in the 19th century to create on the first floor what is now called - 'The Duke of Wellington Suite'. Although the Duke of Wellington was Master General of Ordnance 1818-1827 and may have had offices here it seems unlikely that the redecoration of these rooms had any direct relationship with him despite this name.

LAND ADJACENT TO 34 GREENWICH PARK STREET
Museum of London Archaeology Service reported:

Shows deposits of late 18th-19th century date and cellars associated with 19th century buildings fronting on to Trafalgar Road

GREENWICH PENINSULA, SE10
Museum of London Archaeology Service reported::

The vast majority of this report deals with the sub-soil but reports include a note on north of the site where foreshore deposits were found, which may represent a sluice dating from the post-medieval period and linked to drains and watercourses known to have existed in this part of the peninsula.

Tarry contamination was found in the lower levels of the ground at differing thicknesses, in the western side of the site. This is likely to relate to the use of the site from the 1840's by the Improved Wood Pavement Company to make coal tar-soaked wood blocks for paving using the waste products of the gas industry. The site was incorporated into the linoleum works in the early 20th century and later taken over by the Metropolitan Storage and Trade Company, becoming a specialised wharf for handling containers in 1970.

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GREENWICH TUNNELS UNDER THE RIVER
River tunnels in Greenwich are famous – here are some more tasters from Denis Smith’s Civil Engineering Heritage of London and the Thames Valley (published/sold by Institution of Civil Engineers).

THE WOOLWICH FOOT TUNNEL

The Foot Tunnel was designed by Sir Maurice Fitzmaurice for the London County Council, 1909-12. An Act was obtained in 1909, and in March 1910 a contract for the construction of the tunnel was let to Walter Scott and Middleton for £78,860. It comprises a cast-iron tube of 12ft 8 in. outside diameter connecting two vertical shafts. Construction of the north shaft began on 1 May 1910 and tunnelling began on 1 December. The length between shaft centres is 1655 ft. It was excavated by hand labour with the aid of a shield, and a fair day's progress was five rings, or 8 ft 4 in., during 24 hours, the men working three eight-hour shifts.

THE BLACKWALL TUNNELS

The first attempt to construct a road tunnel here was made by the Metropolitan Board of Works who obtained an Act in 1887. The design, for three parallel tunnels, was made by Sir Joseph Bazalgette and the work was to take seven years. The Board was about to let the contract when the Government prematurely wound up the Metropolitan Board of Works in March 1889. This was the end of Bazalgette's scheme. In June 1890 the London County Council commissioned Benjamin Baker to inspect and report on the compressed air working at the Hudson River tunnel in New York, and at Sarnia in Canada. Baker reported in October, and by 20 November the London County Council Chief Engineer, Alexander R. Binnie, had produced a new single-tunnel design, under the 1887 Act. The tender of S. Pearson & Son (who were building the Hudson River tunnel), of £871,000, was accepted towards the end of 1891 and work began in 1892.

The work began by sinking four shafts in steel caissons, 58ft external diameter, which were built by the Thames Ironworks on Bow Creek. The circular tunnelling shield, weighing 250 tons, was designed by E. W. Moir, the contractor's Agent, and built by Easton & Anderson of Erith. The shield was driven forward by hydraulic rams, and excavation was by hand. As the shield working was under compressed air at 27 lbf sq. in. above atmosphere, to prevent a blowout, a layer of clay 10 ft thick and 150 ft wide was laid on the riverbed over the line of the tunnel. Six air compressors totalling 1500 hp were used. The tunnel is 6200 ft long from entrance to entrance.

The outside diameter of the cast-iron lining is 27 ft, providing a roadway 16 ft wide with a footway on either side. 800 men were employed on the work. The tunnel was lit by three rows of incandescent electric lamps in the roof. It was ceremonially opened by HRH the Prince of Wales on Saturday 22 May 1897. It was one of the first contracts of the LCC and the new tunnel was one of its last.

By the 1930s the old tunnel was becoming inadequate and the LCC obtained an Act in the 1930s for a new tunnel. However, war intervened and construction work did not begin until 1958 with the northern approach. The new tunnel is about 700 ft to the west of the earlier tunnel and is 3,852 ft from portal to portal, with an internal diameter of 28 ft 2 in. The consulting engineers for the bored section of the tunnel itself were Mott, Hay & Anderson, and for the open approaches Mr. H. Iroys Hughes. Architect Terry Farrell designed the two ventilation buildings, that on the south side is incorporated in the Millennium Dome. The new tunnel was opened in 1967 and carries southbound traffic only - the northbound traffic uses the old tunnel.

GREENWICH FOOT TUNNEL

Built from Island Gardens on the Isle of Dogs to the Greenwich waterfront, the tunnel was built to replace a ferry. Two vertical shafts, each of 43 ft external diameter, give access to the tunnel by spiral staircase or lift. The tunnel is 1217 yd long between shaft centres and is made of cast-iron rings of 12 ft 9 in. external diameter. It was built for the London County Council under their Engineer Sir Alexander Binnie, the resident engineer was W. C. Copperthwaite and the contractors were J. Cochrane and Sons. Opened in 1902, it is still in use.

AND - THE FUTURE....

In their September Newsletter, the Kent Underground Research Group report on a Guardian article, as follows:

THAMES WATER TUNNEL

The following is from the Guardian of Saturday April 10th written by Paul Brown, Environment Correspondent:

A massive tunnel, nine metres across and 22 miles long, is planned through London, underneath the riverbed of the Thames, to relieve the capital's overloaded sewage system. The daunting engineering project, costing £2bn and adding £12 a year to the average water bill, is necessary to prevent an environmental disaster in the Thames, which could seriously damage its thriving wildlife. It will be the biggest sewage project in the capital since Joseph Bazalgette built the interceptor sewers that relieved London of the "Great Stink". London is facing a crisis because its 140-year-old sewage system cannot cope. Up to 60 storm overflows are still directed into the river and have to be brought into use so often that they are in breach of European directives designed to save rivers from being starved of oxygen and the wildlife wiped out. Since the 1980s, after a 20-year cleanup of a multitude of remaining discharges into the Thames, London has been held up as an example to the world on how to clean up a "dead" river through a major city. However, changing rainfall patterns caused by climate change and urban development have meant that many times a year London's sewers have been unable to cope with the combined flow from the city's sewage and storm water system. As a result, the Thames has received a vast load of effluent mixed with storm water and rubbish washed from the city's streets.

The Thames Tideway Strategic study, is due to report this year but has concluded that a tunnel is the best option. This will have to be very deep, up to 100 metres below the Thames to avoid tube lines and all the other infrastructure under the river. It will also gradually run downhill in order to carry the storm water to the twin sewage works either side of the river. The optimal solution is to build a tunnel under the river from Twickenham in the west to the Beckton and Crossness sewage works in the east. Construction would take six years and was unlikely to begin before 2010.



St. Mary’s Church Lewisham - Julian Watson

Julian has marked his retirement initially with an excellent book about his local church. Although, naturally, this is not primarily concerned with local industry it does show some interesting insights into the building trade locally over the past 600 years or so. This is a great little book and highly recommended.

GASLIGHT – produced by the North West Gas Historical Association is now serialising W.F.D.Garton’s ‘History of the South Metropolitan Gas Company. This definitive history of our local gas works was serialised in the professional gas press in the 1950s and has never been published elsewhere until now. Highly recommended.

Iris Bryce has brought out a new edition of her Canals are my Home - the story of the adventures of the Woolwich based Bryces on the waterways of England. 

Letters November 2004

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From: Julie Tadman

I am really fascinated by the waterfront at Ballast Quay, as you can imagine. I have been looking for a photo or painting which shows the house, which was demolished in 1854, Thames Cottage, prior to the Harbour Master's house being built on the site. I am looking at a copy of the "catalogue of building materials" which came from Morden College which givesa pretty good description ofthe materials from which it was made - brick and weatherboard. It was probably very similar to other old buildings in the area. All the paintings I have been able to find seem to use artistic licence in their depiction and concentrate on the grander edifices further along the Thames. And as for a photo, I suspect the building may have missed out, given the time of its demolition - but if anyone can help I would be grateful.

From: Janet LeGault

Has anyone heard of the Old Naval Reserve Bearhouse, Woolwich Road? My great grandfather, Richard Blagrove, was the licensed beer retailer of that establishment in 1889; I would love to know its specific location. For a time, he lived at the Hatcliffe's Buildings, Woolwich Road - again--I have been unable to find a specific location. I would appreciate any help in tracing these buildings. My great grandfather was a beer retailer in the Woolwich Road from 1878-1889. He lived in the area all his life (he died at 126 Woolwich Road) and is reputed to have owned 40 houses. Perhaps someone in your Society would know. I believe that my great grandmother disposed of them before she died in 1922.


From: Jim Jones

In 1958 I joined Telcon Greenwich aged 15 as an apprentice carpenter in the power cables department where there was a massive machine. I was told that it was used to help make PLUTO during the war. After the war it was tried as a power cables manufacturing machine but was too big and not economic. The sun wheel part of the machine was over 25 ft wide in early 1959 it was dismantled. My father, Arthur Jones, worked on these machines, my elder brother Arthur was the blacksmith making equipment to pick cables up from the sea bed, plus my uncle was involved making cable gear fitted to cable ships, plus photo of brand new C S Mercury loading cable at Telcon Greenwich (I was working on her at the time) 1965? I also have the Telcon fire chiefs tin hat (Big Jim) that was part of his equipment during the war. He was still there in the 1950s.


From: Alan Graham

I believe that an ancestor of mine, William John Graham (1856-1927) was a long-term employee of Messrs Siemens Brothers & Co in Woolwich, Kent, England from 1881 until his death in 1927. Siemens Archives in Germany advise me that:

"During World War I this enterprise was confiscated by British authorities and became a British company. The archives of Siemens Brothers probably remained at the new owner. Since 1957 the company uses the firm name Siemens Edison Swan Ltd."

I was wondering if the Greenwich Industrial History Society had any information on this arrangement of Companies and if there any chance that Archive material could be held concerning W J Graham and the work that he performed for the company? I understand that he had extensive experience on the cable ship CS Faraday on which he was in charge of the electrical department. I would be pleased to hear if any relevant material is held in Archives and/or elsewhere, and the cost of the retrieval and copying of such material. If not, I would be pleased to receive suggestions on whom I might contact for further investigation.

From: Iris Bryce

I’m absolutely thrilled that a publisher considers my first canal book worthy of republishing as a Classic Canal Book. My book was first published in 1979 and had seven pictures – this has 140 most of which were taken by Owen, and many of them may puzzle some of today's boaters, as developers have demolished many wonderful canal side buildings. For instance in Birmingham one picture shows a church, but sad to say, today it lies beneath Television Studios. In June 2005 the Blisworth Canal tunnel will be 200 years old and it is the longest canal tunnel still navigable. Celebrations will be televised and take place over a whole weekend. It is expected that around 300 boats will moor either side of the tunnel - so I will have boats to the right, left and centre of my garden. I'd better get a stall on the towpath in sell my books!

I discovered the London Canal Museum recently and I think it is one of great interest to all Londoners. Have you been there? It lies just behind Kings Cross Station and is housed in what was an ice warehouse.

From: Bob Hadlow

I seek your assistance concerning workshop drawings produced in The Royal Arsenal, Woolwich.

I am researching a paper on Australian Military History in the period immediately following the Federation of the Australian Colonies into the Commonwealth of Australia, in 1901, to the end of World War 1. A key element is technical detail but the only lead I have at present comes from government procedures for Army equipment. Documents held by the National Archives of Australia, show that there was an established procedure between the British and Australian Governments, for the notification of details of equipment employed by each Army. In Australia this procedure was centred on the Office of the Governor General. Copies of specifications and drawings of British equipment were received from the Inspection Department, Royal Arsenal Woolwich and forwarded on to the Australian Department of Defence, Melbourne, with a copy of the covering note to the Office of the Prime Minister. The Australian Army designed and developed some equipment of its own which was employed in the Middle East and on The Western Front during WW1 via a reversal of the above procedure. The Australian authorities destroyed the drawings and specifications during WW2 but it may be possible that British authorities retained copies. I am particularly interested in specifications and drawings, which originated from and went to the Drawing Office of the Royal Carriage Department. Both The Public Records Office, Kew and The Royal Artillery Museum, Woolwich advised they do not hold these and I therefore seek your advice of any address or contact details where this material may be held. I understand that in 1915 various drawing offices at The Royal Arsenal were amalgamated into The Design Department, attached to The Ministry of Supply but from that point 1 have lost the trail.


From: L.Bingham and Co.

We act for employees of R H Green and Silley Weir, latterly known as Blackwall Engineering, in the late 50s and early 60s, and we are trying to trace their insurers. We are aware that the company has been placed in liquidation - but our purpose in writing to you is to ascertain whether any of your members may know the insurers?




Railway signalling

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RAILWAY SIGNALLING

Peter Trigg

Passenger railways developed very quickly in the 1830s but with infrequent trains, slow speeds and light stock there was not much need for signalling in the early days. When services became more frequent and faster some regulation became necessary and railway policemen were given the job of controlling the trains as well as the passengers. They were later called 'signalmen' but because of the connection, are still nicknamed 'Bobbies'.
Crude signals of many types that could be seen by train drivers a long distance away were brought in, together with auxiliary or distant signals that allowed for braking distance; red, green and white flags and lights also became commonly used. Rule books, detonators, semaphore signals and the Railway Inspectorate all came in the 1840s. The usual method of train working at that time, and on some railways for nearly fifty years, was Time Internal. In this, an interval of about five minutes had to elapse before a train was allowed to follow a previous one and a green flag or light was shown. When an interval of about ten minutes had elapsed a white flag or light was exhibited. This system did not give much protection if a train came to a stop in a section and the Guard could not get back far with detonators. The electric telegraph was used early in the 1830s for normal railway working but apart from protecting traffic through a few tunnels was not much used for signalling. The South Eastern was a pioneer in the use of the telegraph for signalling; and in 1851, they installed a very simple form of Absolute Block working using single stroke bells'. The signal codes were recorded in what is still called a Train Register and the system improved safety to a considerable extent. Few other railways seem to have copied it though.

At this time Greenwich Time was sent around the country by the railway telegraph systems from the Greenwich Observatory. Until the 1850s most points and signals were worked independently with no interlocking but by the late 1850s crude types of interlocking, with everything controlled from one frame, were introduced at a few busy junctions and early signal boxes with signals mounted above them started to appear.
Interlocking was very expensive and a lot of railways did not install it for many years until forced to by legislation Absolute Block at last started to become popular using instruments that indicated the state of line. Many types of instruments were used and some of them were in use for a hundred years or more. In 1874 Sykes introduced their Lock and Block instruments which were mechanically (later electrically) connected with the signals to ensure that the correct sequence of operation had to be carried out. Treadles to prove where a train was were also soon introduced; not many railways though used Lock and Block because of its cost.

Single line working was a big problem when intensive traffic came about and working by pilotman, staff, staff and ticket, one engine in steam, etc, sometimes in conjunction with block instruments, were used but the big break through came in 1878 when Tyers introduced their electric tablet system that was completely flexible in operation. This was followed by the Webb and Thompson, key token and other types most of which were in use for many years.

The relationship between braking distances and signalling was very important and a lot of experiments were carried out in the 1870s with several different types of continuous brakes. It was found that a light train fitted with the Westinghouse air brake could stop in 440 yards from 60 mph and this distance is, I think, still the standard overlap used with mechanical signaling. Track circuits, which electrically detect where a train is, were experimented with in America and, without much success, in Britain, by Sykes. The big problem in Britain was the widespread use of the wood centred Mansell Wheels, which could not act as a short circuit. In later years earthing straps were fitted to the wheel sets to overcome this trouble. In 1886 a large installation of track circuits was put in at St Paul's with some success but they were not widely introduced until the Edwardian period after a series of terrible accidents, which their use would have prevented. Again in America automatic signalling was tried out, including the Halls clockwork signals. In 1881 there was a terrible accident near Armagh caused by the lack of a continuous automatic brake and the use of Time Interval working on a single line with heavy gradients. At last legislation was brought in and proper brakes and working practices were made compulsory on all railways from then on. Signal boxes had become very large by the turn of the century and the mechanical working of points over large distances was very difficult. In America 'power' boxes were being introduced and the GER installed an air worked installation at Granary in 1899 with great success. The L&SWR brought quite a long air worked automatic stretch into use in 1902 again using American equipment and this worked very well for some sixty years. I believe that one of the power frames is still in use at Salisbury. The L&NWR developed a successful all electric system at this time. 
This again, although rather basic by modern standards, stayed in use a very long time. 
Colour light signals and three position electrically operated signals started coming in to use about the early 1920s but the big problem in Britain was what colour aspects to use. The majority of railways still used red glasses in their distant signals and this could not be used in the same way with colour light signals. In 1924 a Signal Engineers Conference decided to advocate the use of upper quadrant signals with yellow aspects instead of red. At the same time distant signals started to be painted yellow as well. In the 1920s very large power boxes were built and four aspect colour light signals were first introduced on the Southern. One of the largest power boxes was London Bridge, built in 1928 with 311 levers. Because of its great length the mechanical interlocking of the miniature levers caused a lot of problems. In 1929 North Kent box was the first built with all electric interlocking which eliminated the problem and was much cheaper to install and alter. Even power boxes took up a lot of space and experiments were carried out in the 1930s with route relay systems using panels and switches instead of miniature levers to make them much more compact. Many different arrangements were used but after the War the NX system combined with miniature relays became very popular. Nowadays Solid State interlocking is often used and radio signalling for single lines. Cab signalling is used in some countries but not as far as 1 know in Britain. The Docklands Light Railway uses computer control and the Victoria Line has automatic control, the operator being able to take control in an emergency.



this first appeared in GIHS Newsletter January 2005

Reviews and snippets January 2005

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Reviews and snippets January 2005

SHARP

SHARP – you may not know – stands for  Sustainable Historic Arsenals Regeneration Partnership.

To launch this, a day seminar was held on the Arsenal site by English Heritage on 3rd December, attended by GIHS members among many others. English Heritage described it as a European Project "which seeks to celebrate the regeneration of the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich and share experience and knowledge with our European partners in Spain, Malta and Estonia". Regeneration of the site has transformed a derelict part of London, involving the creation of a large number of residential units; 55,000 sq metres of industrial/office space; a Heritage Quarter of 22 listed buildings; two new museums, Firepower, created for the Royal Artillery and the borough council Heritage Centre; public and leisure space developed; tourism and education promoted; and access to the River Thames given back to local community use. English Heritage, Lead Partner, wishes to take forward the evolving ideals from the regeneration process to advance the creation of a model for broader European application in terms of regenerating industrial heritage sites. The project will create a reciprocal platform that enables our European partners to further develop plans for their local sites within the model that will emerge from this constructive dialogue. Attendees at the seminar heard papers from a number of specialists – including a very impressive site history from Rob Kitchin Smith. We also heard descriptions of work in progress from Malta, Estonia and Cadiz. It must be said that all three of these were minute compared to Woolwich. This is an important project which needs all our support. Some detailed papers are available and any one wanting them is urged to get in touch.

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Southwark Revisited (Tempus, £12,99). This consists of articles, by local historian John D. Beasley, originally written for the South London Press. It paints a vivid picture of bygone times that are sure to evoke powerful memories for some whilst providing others with a valuable history of a past way of life.
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Bygone Kent (Vol 25 No.12). The current edition contains the latest of Barbara Ludlow’s articles on Greenwich. Greenwich by the Sea – George Lansburys Twentieth Century Dream. This chronicles the efforts to set up the ‘Greenwich Beach’ near the pier in the 1930s and the efforts of East End-based politician Lansbury to effect this. Lansbury was also responsible for the boating pool in Greenwich Park - something which has lasted rather longer than the smell-infested beach. This is a fascinating article to Barbara’s usual high standards.
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The London Railway Record. The January 2005 edition carries an article The Collison at Charlton - 1st May 1878. This basically concerns problems caused by the discrepancy between right and left hand running when the Greenwich Line was extended to Charlton in the 1870s. As railway accidents go this was not particularly dramatic – a derailment at low speed with no passenger injuries. However the report of the resulting inquiry were damning - ‘responsibility for this collision must rest with the railway company..… to cover and protect this dangerous and unauthorised crossing at Charlton Station’
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Journal of the Greenwich Historical Society. The current issue contains articles on the Greenwich Night Pageant 1933 by Celia Morton Pritchard, A Spoonful of Sugar (about the setting up of Greenwich Hospital) by Anthony Cross, and The Appeal of Greenwich by Arnie Wijnberg. However, the article with the most industrial interest is by Michael Egan and concerns ‘some local watering posts'. No – this is not about local pubs – but about street furniture from which water could be provided to roads, etc.. Michael has identified two such posts in Greenwich – one in the Park and one on the lawns of the Paragon, and he has found two more in Lewisham. He finally lists another 11 which in were in situ in the recent past – a fascinating and very unusual subject.

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ORDNANCE WHARF
Mary Mills

Two lots of archive pictures in one day must be a record for me! I had given a lecture in Stepney about gas in East London and was surprised when someone who had been at the lecture turned up on my doorstep one morning, having braved the Blackwall Tunnel. He left with me two albums of photographs of gas holders in Newham and elsewhere in North London plus some brochures. None of them was relevant to Greenwich but later on Alan told me he had just seen Faye Gould who said she had some photographs of Ordnance Wharf. This was the old East Greenwich Gas Works Tar Department, now under the Dome, where her husband had been manager for many years. In the past she has come up with pictures of the Lennard Still which was installed there in the 1890s.
I didn’t count how many pictures Faye handed over to me – it must have 400 or 500. They are all of the tar works – and include things like puddles of tar, tarred road surfaces, and endless tar spraying vehicles as well as many, many pictures of the works. I have scanned all of these and passed them on to the Heritage Centre. I can let anyone who is interested and might be able to interpret some of them have a CD to look at if they like.

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Obituary - Dick Moy
Dick Moy, owner of the Spread Eagle and reportedly ‘Mr. Greenwich’, was one of GIHS’s founder members – in particular contributing a number of articles on Greenwich based cutlery manufacture to one of our first newsletters. He always promised to come and speak at our meetings – sadly he never made it.
Dick died on 23rd November after a long illness. His life, and death, have been widely reported, including in the Independent on 23rd December, Dick was one of the people who brightened life in Greenwich, and who from the 1950s drew attention to the town’s history and got it onto the heritage map.
He will be sadly missed by Greenwich – and particularly by its historians.



Obituary - Tony Robin
Tony - who died on 18th November 2004 - was the current President of Woolwich Antiquarians.
He taught history at Woolwich Polytechnic School and extended his job into active involvement in local history – he was a founder member of GIHS who, sadly never came to speak to our Society.
Deeply committed to Woolwich he describes Jack Vaughan as his ‘mentor and guide’.







Letters January 2005

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From: David Riddle
Just a note to let all members know that the Greenwich Industrial History Society has been added to the membership of WebRing - the Industrial History & Museums Ring created by the Wandle Industrial Museum to interlink related Web sites. This ring also contains web sites dedicated to information and/or research about industrial history and heritage in a wider context.



From: Bob Aspinall
These few lines will update you on events in 2004. After 22 years as Librarian of the Port of London Library & Archive (PLA 1982/1986, Museum of London 1986-2004), I retired in October 2004. This was due mostly to the stress of the workload (which led to another 10 weeks sick absence in the Summer). I have found that retirement and I are very well-suited, and I have to say that I am surprised by how little I have thought about work! I am currently working one day a week in the Library on special projects, with the flashy title of MiD Library & Archive Advisor! It would be delightful to hear from you now and again:- I wish you a healthy and prosperous 2005.



From: Graham Manchester
I had contacted you about my great-grandfather’s business in Anchor & Hope Lane plus an old antiquarian called Ron Longhurst who lived up by the Park in Westcombe Park Road. You kindly came back to me with some recollection of Ron and his wife but I have not heard anymore. However, I have found some photos of my great-grandfather’s vehicles working for the South East Gas Board supplying tar for the A20 at the Dutch House! Plus we have found a person who has a record of ALL the vehicles owned by my great-grandfather including the one which was blown up by a V1 doodlebug.



From: Jenny Hunt
My maternal grandfather, George Francis Mole, worked for William Webster of Crossness from 1888, aged 16, for a number of years having started his employment two to three years earlier with the Beckton Gas Works as a Crane Boy. While at William Webster he obtained his 'full ticket'. At some point he joined Redpath Brown and worked there until he retired aged 75. He worked on the construction of old Canning Town Bridge and Folkestone Harbour. We always understood that he was a Crane Driver. he was a founder member of the National Union of Gasworkers and General Labourers. Any information would be most helpful and greatly welcomed.



From: Patrick Harvey
I would like any information about Duresco, the paint company formerly based in Charlton.



From: Mary Tuffett
I would like to draw the attention of the society to the Jubilee Geological Wall currently being built at Watchet Station in Somerset. In Cadet Place in Greenwich stands what has been called ‘the Cyclopean Wall’.

I recall that in this newsletter Eric Robinson, the geologist (senior lecturer University College and ex-President Royal Archaeological Institute) has drawn attention to its importance as ‘a history of the stone trade in the English channel’.

In Watchet, Eric Robinson has been supervising the construction of a very similar wall in order to demonstrate the varieties of local stone in that area. The result will look very like our Greenwich wall. Details of the wall can be obtained from the Town Museum in Watchet (no address but Watchet is a very small place!).

The Greenwich wall is likely to disappear soon when Lovells and Granite Wharves are developed.

Siemens Brothers

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SIEMENS BROTHERS

John Ford

“John introduced his marathon talk on 100 years of Thameside Electrical History by giving a brief account of his career with Siemens, saying that he joined in March 1936 as a Drawing Office Learner in the Telephone Dept. at the princely sum of 12/6d per week. The blitz of 1940 caused Siemens to move most of their staff to a Yorkshire woollen mill where work on radar was undertaken. John returned to London in 1945 and for the next 10 years he was heading design teams concerned with telephone exchange equipment. He was promoted to Chief Engineer responsible for contracts, specifications, planning and final installation on site. His proudest moment was in 1950 when he flew to Winnipeg and was responsible for installing a 1000 line telephone exchange.

John outlined the history of the Siemens family and paid a special tribute to Sir William Siemens who was born in 1823 and was christened Carl Wilhelm. Later he adopted the name William. Sadly he died in 1883. During his lifetime he was a leading member of many professional institutions. He was knighted by Queen Victoria in 1883 and a memorial window was placed in Westminster Abbey in 1885. The window was removed in 1914 for safety and was subsequently lost and not replaced.

In 1863 Siemens Bros. of Woolwich was founded by William and his brother Werner. Prior to that date William had developed an interest in heat sciences and inverted regeneration furnaces, steam engines, water meters etc. His brother Werner collaborated with a young engineer named Halske to produce satisfactory insulation for underground usage. In 1847 Werner Siemens amalgamated with Halske and became cable manufacturers and electric telegraph engineers."

John then used a series of excellent slides to demonstrate the wide variety of work undertaken by Siemens, such as:-

Cable Manufacture
In 1858 William negotiated with Siemens & Halske and R.S. Newall Ltd to lay all Newall's cables.

Dynamos
In 1876 the Siemens Dynamo produced the same light and intensity as other models but was 'A the size and l/8th the weight of rival products. In 1877 a trial at the South Foreland Lighthouse was carried out by Trinity House.

Ships
In 1874 the ship Michael Faraday was launched and by 1897 it had laid seven North Atlantic telegraph cables.
The 5000 ton vessel was the first ship to be lit by electric light and when it was overhauled in 1909 over 50,000 miles of submarine cable had been laid. In 1923 a second ship M. Faraday II was launched. This ship was 5,530 tons and during 1940 it picked up and recovered 260 miles of German submarine cable. In 1953 the ship ss Empire Frame was converted and renamed the Ocean Layer. This ship laid a big proportion of telephone cable from the USA to France before it was irreparably damaged by fire. Between the years 1873 and 1957, 63,105 miles of submarine cable had been laid.

Lighting
Siemens Bros were responsible for the floodlighting of Big Ben by 12 x 1000 watt projector lamps as part of the 1935 Silver Jubilee Celebrations. Other notable buildings were also floodlit, e.g. St. James Palace, St. Paul's Cathedral, Tower Bridge, Hammersmith Bridge and the R.A.C. Automobile Club.

Telephones
Manual telephone exchanges were set up soon after 1850 and in 1877 Werner Siemens filed letters patent in England for 9 telephone receiver designs. In the early 1900s the GPO standardised candlestick phone was developed and in 1929 the Neophone was introduced. By 1931 the 2 millionth GPO telephone had been installed. In 1951 the Siemens No. 17 System was modernised for the PLA. The system comprised 240 lines for Head Office and 699 lines for the five docks and was manned by eight switchboard operators.

Radio Telephony & Marine Radio
Siemens Bros was responsible for a complete installation of telegraphs for transmitting orders to and from the navigation bridge to the engine room for the RMS Queen Mary and later the RMS Queen Elizabeth.

Traffic Control & Road Signals
In 1913 Siemens developed the "Autoflex" Progressive Traffic System widely used on busy London roads such as Oxford Street, Edgware Road and Marylebone.

Power Signalling For Railways
Siemens Bros in collaboration with the General Electric Railway Signal Co. provided electric signalling boxes etc. which in later years replaced the old original mechanical systems and manual signal boxes.

Fire & Ambulance Control Systems
Another facet installed by Siemens.

Totalisators
Several of these were installed by Siemens at race courses in Edinburgh, West Ham, Haringey and Crayford. Siemens engineers made extra money for operating the Totalisators and were readily on hand to deal with any electrical faults.

London Television Cable
Co-axial cable was laid for the BBC between Alexandra Palace and Broadcasting House. The cable was also routed to cover Oxford Street, Park Lane, Hyde Park Comer, Piccadilly, Shaftesbury Avenue, Pall Mall, St. James' Palace, Victoria Station, Horse Guards, Westminster Bridge and St. Margaret's, Westminster.

The Grid System
In 1961 a 40 year dream was realised by the British & French power authorities. The ship Dame Caroline Haslett was converted off Woolwich to lay twin cables to carry a 200,000 volt direct current link across the Channel.

Pluto
In 1942 Siemens Bros undertook experimental and development work in connection with the high pressure couplings which enabled a million gallons of petrol to be pumped daily from Dungeness to Calais to supply fuel to the Allies.

The foregoing provides some indication of the wide variety of work undertaken by Siemens Bros & Co. of Woolwich.


SIEMENS BROTHERS ENGINEERING SOCIETY

ARCHIVE COLLECTION

Brian Middlemiss writes:

Siemens Brothers & Co. was a British-based and registered business founded in 1858 primarily by William Siemens who subsequently assumed British citizenship, married a Scottish lass and was knighted by Queen Victoria in 1883 to acknowledge 'the service he rendered to the cause of science'. The Company grew and prospered at Woolwich, London for over 100 years throughout which time it maintained its early pioneering spirit among the World leaders in electrical, cable and telecommunications design and manufacture. Final closure occurred in 1968 following the takeover by G.E.C..

Over recent years members of the Engineering Society, who still meet bi-annually, have collaborated to collect, collate and catalogue archive papers and hardware items related to the Company. This project was prompted by a realization that far too little evidence remains to record the above long history which also embraced factories at Preston, Lydbrook, Hartlepool, Spennymoor, Gravesend and other locations in the UK and Overseas. Our self-imposed task now nears completion and we think it sensible and helpful to widen catalogue distribution to locations other than the 6 "New Holders" with whom our archive material is now lodged.

John Ford of our Archive Committee has endeavoured to outline our intentions to most additional recipients by direct contact during recent weeks and we much appreciate the courtesy and co-operation received. We thus have pleasure to enclose:-
i) One copy of the Archive Catalogue (very generously printed and bound by Siemens U.K. plc, Bracknell, Berks., at their expense and thus involving no charges to the Society's own budget).

ii) A separate paper re. specific aspects on which queries may possibly arise.
iii) A catalogue distribution list.

Our final intention is to issue informative publicity "flyer" leaflets to many locations, societies, etc., to publicise the availability of the material. In the meantime please address any immediate queries to the undersigned and please accept our thanks for your co-operation in helping the Society to achieve its aims.

A copy of the Archive Catalogue has been deposited with GIHS and is available should anyone want to see it. Please ring Mary 0208 858 9482. Copies have also been sent to Lewisham, Southwark and Bexley Local History Libraries, as well as Greenwich… to the Museum of London, the National Maritime Museum and the Meridian Sports Club at Charlton.


THIS ARTICLE FIRST APPEARED IN THE GIHS NEWSLETTER IN JANUARY 2005
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